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I find in my experience that people who ask amateur photographers to do their wedding have already had a quote from a professional and, are trying to do it on the cheap.
I'm happy to be in a financial situation that I never have to shoot another wedding again[/QUOTE said:It's great when you can afford to choose orders. I never have such a choice because photography is my main income. This means that I only take pictures and live from order to order. My friends advise me to their friends, so I gain a customer base along the chain. Of course, it would be nice to create your own website like this https://www.wanderlustportraits.com, but I can't pay for the domain every month yet. Therefore, I can only use poorly targeted advertising on Facebook and Instagram.
I think I'd rather shoot a funeral than a wedding. At least then your subject wouldn't complain, and more importantly, they'd sit still!
Is it the responsibility?
I would like to ask why so many people here dislike taking wedding photos for money or not?
Is it the responsibility?
Managing crowds of people?
Getting people to do what you want?
What exactly?
That's what contracts and deposits or up-front payments are for. Never do spec work for a client: if you don't value your work, neither will the client. Long ago when I was working as a freelance designer, I learned if a client couldn't or wouldn't pay a deposit, they usually would end up trying to not pay at all.In a word: clientzillas. Not just brides/ brides' moms, but occasionally brides' dads too. Everything from temper tantrums the day of the wedding, to expecting everything for free from the get-go, to trying to get everything for free (or even turning a profit off the photography) by suing/threatening to sue the photographer for 'losses/emotional damage' after the fact. Yeah, no thanks.
Oh, I won't even have an in-person meeting if there is any hesitancy at all about a contract or deposit. Which is why I don't do much paid photography.That's what contracts and deposits or up-front payments are for. Never do spec work for a client: if you don't value your work, neither will the client. Long ago when I was working as a freelance designer, I learned if a client couldn't or wouldn't pay a deposit, they usually would end up trying to not pay at all.
You forgot to mention the guests, who when you have arranged the groups or the bride and groom shots and other setpieces trying to elbow you out of the way.In a word: clientzillas. Not just brides/ brides' moms, but occasionally brides' dads too. Everything from temper tantrums the day of the wedding, to expecting everything for free from the get-go, to trying to get everything for free (or even turning a profit off the photography) by suing/threatening to sue the photographer for 'losses/emotional damage' after the fact. Yeah, no thanks.
I wouldn't have enjoyed it if I didn't have a really good and really reliable professional film lab to rely upon.
For me, this is the dealbreaker. The responsibility is too high: having to deal with problematic brides and, even worse, their mothers.
And, more importantly, I am not really good at wedding photography.
For ~10 years I worked as a freelance videographer. Most of my business was corporate (training videos) or non-profit (recording and editing symposia). Not exactly exciting or creative work, but it was a good living for a while. After 9/11 those markets really tightened up. Organizations were significantly changing their focus and spending. (It didn't seem the sort of thing that would be affected, but it did change at least for a while.) I was having difficulty getting work from the organizations I usually did work for. Someone suggested that I supplement the work doing weddings and quinceañeras. I tried and couldn't stand it. I folded my business and got a job instead of having to do that kind of work. As for why I didn't like it these are my top reasons:
- I'm not a people person, and being a wedding videographer required an extroverted type interaction with the couple, guests, and all the participants. (you don't have to BE and extrovert, but you have to act like one.) Unfortunately, I'm an extreme introvert so this was the hardest thing to deal with.
- Corporate clients hired me because I knew what they didn't (how to produce a video) so they trusted me and my expertise to deliver what they needed. Wedding clients second guessed and micromanaged everything I did.
- Corporate clients know the word "change order" and know it comes with a price attached. Wedding clients were constantly trying to add work, change things after they had already been done, and expected everything to come at the original price.
- Crowds - I hate crowds. This is really a restatement of the first point above. If it were a portrait job, just me and the subject in a photogenic location, if would be much more manageable.
Granted, its obvious that I am not tempermentally suited to dealing with of people and therefore weddings. I'm glad there are people that can deal with it.
In a word: clientzillas. Not just brides/ brides' moms, but occasionally brides' dads too. Everything from temper tantrums the day of the wedding, to expecting everything for free from the get-go, to trying to get everything for free (or even turning a profit off the photography) by suing/threatening to sue the photographer for 'losses/emotional damage' after the fact. Yeah, no thanks.
That's what contracts and deposits or up-front payments are for. Never do spec work for a client: if you don't value your work, neither will the client. Long ago when I was working as a freelance designer, I learned if a client couldn't or wouldn't pay a deposit, they usually would end up trying to not pay at all.
You forgot to mention the guests, who when you have arranged the groups or the bride and groom shots and other setpieces trying to elbow you out of the way.
I have also encountered cheapskate acquaintances who invite me and my wife to their, or their son's /daughters or other relatives' weddings, and call you shortly before the occasion and say " oh, and will you make sure you bring your camera with you".
I once did a wedding when the vicar asked the teenage groom "do you take this woman to be your lawful wedded wife", to which he replied " yea man that's what I turned up for", the vicar stopped the service, and said to the groom "this is a very serious matter, you are making an oath to God in his house", then as soon as the ceremony was over the bride's mother ran up to her new son in law, and punched him in the face !.
I appreciate your comments and it does seem that a wedding photographer need to be an extrovert.
I am an introvert and was very shy as a young man. I joined amateur drama to help overcome the shyness and it did help with handling people at a wedding.
BUT remember the bride & groom are also nervous on the day so I can empathise with that. It can also be an unique selling point (USP).
Some wedding photographers are so extravert that the wedding is run like it is their show not the couples
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