Is it just me?

[BetterSense]

I'm the opposite. I almost always leave some room around the edges for trimming. Except with 35mm, because there isn't enough negative to spare.

 

[bblhed]

I try to compose to have the image I want cover as much of the frame as I can get it to cover because I am still not used to making my own prints. But then I only end up having to crop for format mostly, and rarely for image, now and then I do crop for image though.

 

[Andrew Horodysky]

I tend to compose within the viewfinder, and not crop. Once in a while, I'll take a little out, just to make the composition. As mentioned earlier in the thread, if I crop too much... well, then, it feels [and looks] like a cropped image.

 

[jgjbowen]

I've always felt cropping in the darkroom meant poor vision in the field. If the image on the GG isn't what I want the viewer to see then I need to either take a step or two forward, take a step or two backward, change lenses or change formats.

YMMV

 

[eddym]

When I look in one direction instead of another... I am cropping.
When I look at one thing instead of another... I am cropping.
When I choose a camera format to shoot... I am cropping.
When I choose a lens to put on the camera... I am cropping.
When I point the camera at the part of the scene I chose... I am cropping.
When I look though the viewfinder or at the groundglass... I am cropping.
When I move the camera around, looking at the scene through the viewfinder... I am cropping.
When I move one step to the right, left, forward, or back... I am cropping.
When I zoom the lens in or out...I am cropping.
When I turn the camera either horizontal or vertical... I am cropping.
When I project the negative onto a print easel... I am cropping.
When I adjust the blades of the easel... I am cropping.

I make MY OWN PHOTOGRAPHS and I can and will crop whenever, wherever, and however I damned well please!
Please feel free to do the same with your photographs.

 

[thegman]

Tend to crop as little as possible, as I don't like to lose the resolution. Less of a problem on 6x7 of course, but I still don't like to.

 

[wclark5179]

I leave room to crop. Some need to have the extra room if they are purchasing a print that requires cropping. If I didn't provide room to crop then, sometimes, important pieces would be lost. Then I'd have to use content aware scale in PS to please the client.

 

[David Brown]

I do whatever I need to do. If that means cropping, so be it. Cropping is just another alternative.

 

[Moopheus]

Is full frame composing and printing laziness

Yes, or at least for me. I try to get everything as close as I can--framing, exposure, etc.--"in camera" to reduce the amount of work I have to do later. That said, "cropping" and "framing" are just two words for the same action--deciding what goes in, and what does not. All that matters to the viewer is the final image.

I do realize that there are some practical differences--if you are shooting some object, you have to decide, for instance, what angle of view before you press the shutter. You can't decide in the darkroom that you'd rather have it from the back. Even Photoshop isn't that good yet.

 

[Sirius Glass]

When I look in one direction instead of another... I am cropping.
When I look at one thing instead of another... I am cropping.
When I choose a camera format to shoot... I am cropping.
When I choose a lens to put on the camera... I am cropping.
When I point the camera at the part of the scene I chose... I am cropping.
When I look though the viewfinder or at the groundglass... I am cropping.
When I move the camera around, looking at the scene through the viewfinder... I am cropping.
When I move one step to the right, left, forward, or back... I am cropping.
When I zoom the lens in or out...I am cropping.
When I turn the camera either horizontal or vertical... I am cropping.
When I project the negative onto a print easel... I am cropping.
When I adjust the blades of the easel... I am cropping.

I make MY OWN PHOTOGRAPHS and I can and will crop whenever, wherever, and however I damned well please!
Please feel free to do the same with your photographs.

Very well said!!

Decades of shooting slides taught me to crop before shooting. And that means looking around, changing lenses and-or using a zoom lens. Now I change formats or rotate the film back too.

Steve

 

[clayne]

There have been about a 100 of these types of cropping threads.

I generally separate cropping into 2 realms: utility and cheating.

Utility cropping being very light clean up crops along the border to adjust for viewfinder inaccuracy, easel, etc. Usually less than 2%.

Now the other is based on full on cropping meant to recompose an image after the fact. I consider that a crutch, cheating, etc.

Besides the lens doesn't lie - it's usually obvious when an image is cropped - the angle of view and perspective look strange and it's yet another reason not to do it.

Get it right the first time unless you absolutely cannot for other reasons.

 

[BetterSense]

the angle of view and perspective look strange and it's yet another reason not to do it.

As far as I can tell, there is no geometrical difference between if you crop a picture or if you used a different lens/zoom to achieve the same composition. If it looks funny to you, it must be because you saw the original and so you also have that composition in your head or something.

Of course cropping will change your grain, resolution and sharpness, though.

EDIT: I looked at your sig; lol

 

[clayne]

With the focal lengths I use (under 50) you most definitely can see the distorted angle of view from a crop.

I consider it cheating because it's a tactic used to get around lack of commitment at the time the original was shot.

 

[BetterSense]

If your crop is significantly off-center, and you don't tilt the easel to compensate, then you will have a distortion effect similar to using shift or rise on a view camera. I was only talking about central crops that is, trimming off sides or cropping a square to a centered rectangle.

 

[sly]

Like others, shooting 35mm slides trained me to look at the complete frame and compose to the edges. I don't hesitate to crop if an image seems to require it. I find myself frustrated every now and then with 4x5 images. They might work fine as a contact print, but if I enlarge them the negative carrier shaves a sliver off each edge and I've no longer got the image I wanted. When I try to compensate while shooting, I always leave too much edge and end up cropping. Not a big deal, but those ones won't work as contact alt prints. sigh....

 

[Jeff Kubach]

I compose full frame and print full frame most of the time. On occasion I'll change.

Jeff

 

[Vaughn]

Ninety-nine percent of my printing is by contact printing the camera negative -- usually carbon prints or platinum prints. I prefer to show the rebate of the film when matting the platinum prints, so full-frame it is for me. Plus sometimes cropping the negative is not an option, as in the image below.

And I understand what eddym is driving at with all the crop-crop-cropping. But I don't feel it that way. Instead I fill the frame with as much of the place as I can. It is actually all the same thing, just different ways of seeing and approaching the subject, I suppose.

I have expanded my options. I primarily use an 8x10 camera. I have a modified dark slide that allows me to expose two 4x10's on an 8x10 piece of film. The 4x10 becomes a full frame image -- not a cropped 8x10. I have an extra darkslide lying around here somewhere that I will modify to give me an 8x8 negative on an 8x10 sheet of film. (I began photographing with a Rolleiflex, and do like the square!) Three different formats and the film rebate is maintained around the images.

It can easily argued that all I am doing is cropping the negative before I expose it. But I tend to see it as carrying three different format cameras wrapped up into one.

Vaughn


My Three Boys
North Jetty
Diana Camera, Expired TechPan
Scanned carbon print

 

[Nicole]

I try to shoot full frame where I can, but have no problems cropping if I feel the final print needs it. As a woman I reserve the right to change my mind at any given time. That's what makes art and life interesting.

 

[Bruce Watson]

photograpy *is* cropping

Photography differs from painting in some fundamental ways. The biggest IMHO is the way the image is created. In painting the artist starts with a blank canvas and adds things to it. In photography the artists starts with a full and chaotic "canvas" and subtracts those things which distract from the image he/she wants to show. This is, fundamentally, cropping.

There's no reason I can think of to stop cropping at a particular point, such as the camera's framing. We pick lenses to show what we want. We pick points of view to show what we want. So why not pick aspect ratios to show what we want?

I used to compose to the frame. But the longer I worked in photography, the more I began to see compositions that had aspect ratios different from the camera's built in ratio. So... I went with the image.

Turns out I tend to see a log of images in the golden ratio. I don't know why. But there are very few cameras made that work with the golden ratio full frame. In large format there's the fairly rare 8x5 which is very close.

I also tend to see panoramas, but in 1:sqrt(5), not the "normal" pano ratios of 1:2.5 and longer. Again, I don't know why. All I know is that I shot and framed a lot, and when I measured the final prints and ran the numbers, that's what I was coming up with.

I'm just sayin' there's nothing wrong with following your artistic instincts. There's no reason at all to force your art into some camera manufacturer's arbitrary aspect ratio. You can if you want to. But you don't *have* to.

 

[clayne]

I can very much think of a great reason: the moment behind the enlarger is NOT the same as the moment behind the camera. It's not a simple "since I crop in my viewfinder, I should be able to crop after the fact too." Now perhaps if you're a rocks and trees guy, it doesn't really matter. But anything involving other lifeforms or changing situations as subjects I feel the composition at the time shows both the subject's AND the photographer's involvement/intent.

Intent.
Involvement.
Shared space.
A reasonably fair and accurate representation of the scene and how the subjects fit into it.

 

[eddym]

I can very much think of a great reason: the moment behind the enlarger is NOT the same as the moment behind the camera. It's not a simple "since I crop in my viewfinder, I should be able to crop after the fact too." Now perhaps if you're a rocks and trees guy, it doesn't really matter. But anything involving other lifeforms or changing situations as subjects I feel the composition at the time shows both the subject's AND the photographer's involvement/intent.

Intent.
Involvement.
Shared space.
A reasonably fair and accurate representation of the scene and how the subjects fit into it.

Maybe I'm just dense, but I can't really say that I get your point. How do you determine "the scene and how the subjects fit into it"? The "scene" is the whole world, all 360 degrees of it, plus where you happen to be standing in relation to the rest of the world. Unless you are shooting with a 7mm fisheye, you are cropping something out of the world around you. What is the difference between cropping by using a rectilinear lens and cropping on an enlarger easel?

 

[Samuel West Hiser]

When I shoot, regardless of format, I look at the whole frame and compose to fill the frame. When I print, I rarely crop but print full frame. Are there other APUGers that do the same?

Yup.

Everyone who uses an enlarger crops, but I agree.

To me, the thought of mixing formats in a series, for example, would never occur because the rhythm of the forms playing against the framelines is such an important element of the established rhythm of the experience (whether in a book or in a room).

 

[blockend]

If using commercial print finishers I leave a lot of surplus space around the image when composing. Not only do C41 labs take up a lot of negative real estate, no two are alike.

 

[DLawson]

I'm another of the slackers who don't get religious about cropping or not cropping.

But part of that is just the reality of the materials I use. I shoot 35mm and print in standard sizes. So I have a negative that is 2:3 (24x36mm). If I print in 8x10, that is 8:10 vs 8:12, so it gets cropped. If I print 5x7, that's 5:7 vs 5:7.5, so it is getting cropped.

Asymmetric margins would take care of that, but not with the print easels I have on hand. Maybe later.

But really, I like overshooting a bit and having the luxury of making minor adjustments to the edges without losing much resolution.

Maybe the software engineer in me just demands a safety margin.

 

[JBrunner]

I contact print. Cropping isn't really part of the game. What I saw is what you get. When I shoot roll film there is then some cropping, because there usually has to be. When that is the case I take best advantage of it, although sometimes it feels like a nuisance because I have to give up something. Sometimes I'll print the whole neg inside the paper aspect ratio with a border. I don't worry about it to much. I shoot so I can use everything. Crop or not is something to communicate what you see, just a tool. Use when appropriate.