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If at packaging, before leaving the warehouse, the bottle is not flushed the developer starts to oxidixe pretty quickly. When this very bottle of developer arrives at your doorstep some time has passed. If it's flushed with inter gas you'll gain much more residual shelf life than the non-flushed bottle. It's not that at Compard they are crazy and invest in flushing the developer: it has a cost.
I think Adonal doesn't flush the developer bottle to cut costs.
Isn't that sufficient?
I think it is.
A bottle cap tightened without some kind of seal underneath doesn't render the bottle air-tight.
And, no, I haven't done any tests since I don't use Rodinal, Adonal, Aph-09, R09 one-shot.
They just don't serve my needs.
Sorry.
What I'm trying to convey is a correct practice at Tetenal, Kodak, Ilford, Bka, you name it, regarding the packaging of developer.
All these firms package their developer with an air-tight seal on the bottle neck.
Kodak chemistry now is made by Tetenal and it's all sealed, at least the developer.
Tetenal seals all their chemistry, stop, fixer, all.
A safety data sheet is to inform about a substance or mixture.
A mixture is something different than just the sum of the ingredients mixed you refer to.
Very true which is why I said there may be some reactions which take place on mixing. I'm sure that you must have missed this when reading. This was the point of my post. People tend to think that because the MSDS for Rodinal lists potassium hydroxide that the product contains a lot of this alkali. In actuality it combines with the p-aminophenol to form a phenolate and the bisulfite to form sulfite both of which are NOT listed in the MSDS. This is why I said that an MSDS needs to be read carefully and that a certain knowledge of chemistry is needed to get the full benefit of the document.
Very true which is why I said there may be some reactions which take place on mixing. I'm sure that you must have missed this when reading. This was the point of my post. People tend to think that because the MSDS for Rodinal lists potassium hydroxide that the product contains a lot of this alkali. In actuality it combines with the p-aminophenol to form a phenolate and the bisulfite to form sulfite both of which are NOT listed in the MSDS. This is why I said that an MSDS needs to be read carefully and that a certain knowledge of chemistry is needed to get the full benefit of the document.
In the EU the regulation on Safety Data Sheets refers "substances in a mixture", not to substances to make a mixture of.
Thus a reaction between substances and a resulting occurrance of other substances or a change of concentration of the primary substances is taken into account.
Have you ever squeezed all the air out of an ilford chemistry bottle before that's 2/3rds full? Within a few days the bottle is filled with air... All those plastic bottles, even from "the best" (in my opinion) B&W film company that exists, the plastic still is so porous it allows air in easily. None if this is relevant... Let's do testing instead of supposing...
Well it isn't the plastic of the bottle, it's the fit of the cap to bottle. Otherwise it wouldn't keep before opening either, which it does. But once opened it's not good for storage. I learned this the hard way with Harman WT developer. It's not the bottle, it's the cap that doesn't seal back when the seal is broken. I now open a bottle of that WT developer and immediately pour it into two 16 oz brown plastic bottles (not the best either, I know, but WAY better than the original with the seal broken) and squeeze all the air out. I've kept it a year that way with no problems at all.
I read on another forum people complainig how hard it is to open a bottle of DDX.
The price of a bottle including the childproof cap is in the range of a couple of cents, cheaper than a wine cork stopper alone. I wish they were made of higher quality. Although more material means higher environmental impact too.
Glass bottles brake, but if you insist there is Schott Duran: http://www.us.schott.com/labware/english/download/bottles_caps_us.pdf But I prefer Jobo plastic bottles, they are simply the best for storing photo chemicals: http://www.jobo.com/Bottles.849.0.html
I have said this several times before but will say it again. An MSDS must be read carefully and with some knowledge of chemistry. The document does NOT tell the reader what is IN the product but rather what is MIXED to PRODUCE the product. There is a very big difference between the two. There will usually some reactions between the ingredients. There are not going to be any fumes from the ordinary use of this product as a developer.
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