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I've been trying to locate direct positive paper and it seem that nobody has it. Is it available anywhere?
 
What size? B and H has some 5x7 left. They claim they can backorder more. You might find you have to have something like that backordered, or put on special order for you. It's made in limited quantity and there's a high demand for it, so most places don't keep that stuff in stock very long. So your best bet is to either get on a waiting list, or if you need it now, buy second hand, either from a photography forum classified section, or eBay.
 
jim10219 said:
What size? B and H has some 5x7 left. They claim they can backorder more. You might find you have to have something like that backordered, or put on special order for you. It's made in limited quantity and there's a high demand for it, so most places don't keep that stuff in stock very long. So your best bet is to either get on a waiting list, or if you need it now, buy second hand, either from a photography forum classified section, or eBay.
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Oh wow...I didn't know that. Thanks for the heads up.
 
Here in Europe both lines (from both Ilfords) are available out of dealer's stock.
 
I thought I had seen a thread from a U.S. member in recent days( 2 weeks at most) that was announcing the return of Ilford's direct positive paper

pentaxuser
 
We should not overlook that Harman (Iford Photo) had a big problem by losing their US distributor and olny these days got a new one.
 
AgX said:
We should not overlook that Harman (Iford Photo) had a big problem by losing their US distributor and olny these days got a new one.
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Ah, that would explain a lot. Didn't know that.
As to direct positive paper one must remember that, although saving a step in making a positive, you wind up with a image that is mirror reversed. Also note that by using the regular negative/positive process you have a negative to work with and can make multiple copies of a print.
 
ciniframe said:
Ah, that would explain a lot. Didn't know that.
As to direct positive paper one must remember that, although saving a step in making a positive, you wind up with a image that is mirror reversed.
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Hahaha..another thing I didn't realize.
 
I just bought some 4x5 from BandH two weeks ago ... wow, that was fast. Always keep your audience wanting more!
 
It was back ordered for a long time so the initial redistribution has probably sold out quickly. If it is still available from Ilford I imagine the supply chain will settle down.

For now you may want to try some of the European distributors. I order from Fotoimpex sometimes and have had relatively quick delivery from them.
 
Pioneer said:
It was back ordered for a long time so the initial redistribution has probably sold out quickly. If it is still available from Ilford I imagine the supply chain will settle down.

For now you may want to try some of the European distributors. I order from Fotoimpex sometimes and have had relatively quick delivery from them.
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Great, I will do that for now.
 
Is direct positive paper hard for Harmon to produce? It seems like a winning product for them.
 
What I’d like to know is if it is possible to make a paper specifically for paper negatives. Low contrast, maybe a bit more speed but still blind to regular darkroom safe light. I know nothing of the science of photo sensitive emulsion making so don’t know if this is even possible.
 
I have an opened box of 8X10 Harman DP I would sell if someone wants it. I believe I have used four sheets from the box.
 
ciniframe said:
What I’d like to know is if it is possible to make a paper specifically for paper negatives. Low contrast, maybe a bit more speed but still blind to regular darkroom safe light. I know nothing of the science of photo sensitive emulsion making so don’t know if this is even possible.
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Technically no problem and even was manufactured.
 
One option is to do reversal processing on regular, cheap Arista #2 RC paper using a simple Kodak R9 bleach formula. See the thread at https://www.photrio.com/forum/threa...-paper-using-kodak-r-9-bleach-formula.154894/

It only adds a few minutes/print to processing times.

I have been using the process with normal lenses in my 4x5 cameras for a while now with great results. Must be shot at about ISO3, so is a bit slow, however. Heavy overcast midday exposure was about 12 minutes with a .3mm pinhole at 68mm focal length.

These are my first two ever pinhole photographs. I used the reversal bleaching to produce direct positives. The haze in the first photo is from a slowly-lifting fog from the recent thaw.

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I used a 0.3mm laser-drilled commercial pinhole mounted into a Graflex 4x5 Super Graphic camera lens board.

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Regards,

Don
 
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DonF said:
One option is to do reversal processing on regular, cheap Arista #2 RC paper using a simple Kodak R9 bleach formula. See the thread at https://www.photrio.com/forum/threa...-paper-using-kodak-r-9-bleach-formula.154894/

It only adds a few minutes/print to processing times.

I have been using the process with normal lenses in my 4x5 cameras for a while now with great results. Must be shot at about ISO3, so is a bit slow, however. Heavy overcast midday exposure was about 12 minutes with a .3mm pinhole at 68mm focal length.

These are my first two ever pinhole photographs. I used the reversal bleaching to produce direct positives. The haze in the first photo is from a slowly-lifting fog from the recent thaw.

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I used a 0.3mm laser-drilled commercial pinhole mounted into a Graflex 4x5 Super Graphic camera lens board.

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Regards,

Don
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I saw that thread, i wasnt sure if i had the skill to pull it off or not.
 
I took these pinhole shots today, partially to test out my new EV pinhole exposure chart. Worked well. All of these are direct-positive images made on cheap Arista EDU graded #2 enlarging paper exposed at ISO 3. Processing was virtually identical to that used in the old chemical photo booths. Two extra steps to reverse the image are bleaching in potassium dichromate/sulfuric acid and clearing away the orange dichromate stain in a sodium sulfite "clearing" solution. There is also a second fogging exposure to room light and second development. Fast and easy.

Note the faint "ghost cars" in the street scene. There was lots of Saturday traffic, but almost invisible in the 2.5 minute exposure.

All images taken near the Fox River and downtown Saint Charles, Illinois.

From my first 12 pinhole photos ever! I am really enjoying this!

Regards,

Don

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Thought that building looked familiar.:smile:
 
I noticed B&H are selling Harman DPP, but not previous retailers like Freestyle Photo. Is B&H selling new old stock, or do they somehow have a semi-exclusive arrangement with Ilford? It'd be nice to hear from an Ilford representative about this. I miss Mr. Simon Galley, who used to give us regular updates.
 
There is also another link on here about positive paper, where I have just put a post stating that the Ilfordphoto site states that it is now 'IN STOCK'. It's just a matter of time that it gets to all the shops I would think but just re-reading all of this thread, they appeared to have lost their US distributor, so people in the US might have to order direct from them or an EU seller for a while?

Link to the other posts:

https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/harman-direct-positive.131835/page-2#post-2042173

Terry S
 
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