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What do you mean by "repellant coating"? I don't have any filters so designated. There are different glass types, different techniques for coloring them, and distinctions of uncoated, single-coated, and multicoated, though within each of these categories real qualitative differences too. One aspect of this is that high-quality multi-coated optical glass is simply way smoother, microscopically, so has less tiny surface area issues to hold condensation or kinds of grime. But some coatings are rather soft, and some hard and more resistant. Ironically, B&W's "multi-resistant"style is rather soft and susceptible and needs to be pampered. Gel filters are the worst in this respect. And cheap polyester or acetate pseudo-gels are optically inferior; I never use them for image-forming applications.
 

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A lot depends on specific application. A high-quality uncoated or single-coated filter might work well under controlled studio circumstances, or behind an effective compendium shade on a view camera, or deep inside a long telephoto lens with a long lens hood, but cause consternation with wide-angle lenses in a sunny direction due to flare susceptibility. Certain multi-coatings don't mix well with certain digital receptors. And for best results, even UV and skylight filters need to be matched to specific films, as well as address color temperature issues. And when I ask for an 81A filter, I don't want an 80&1/2 or a something in-between an 81A and 81B. I expect it to be correct. Lots of little details to consider.
 

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What do you mean by "repellant coating"? I don't have any filters so designated.

To the various optical coatings meanwhile have been added contact effective coatings that have a dirt/water repellant effect.

And yes, they are not properly designated on the the ring. So one tries cleaning and wonders...
 
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I've never had an issue. YMM Indeed V.

"China" is a broad brush. They make crap, and they make good stuff. But, for me, certainly willing to spend a few dollars to gamble on filter failure. One filter from Freestyle or the NYC boys buys four from China. Good odds.
Yes. Very true. It depends on what the vendor wants the manufacturer to make at a set price point per unit. China has been able to make high-quality crafts for over a thousand years. Remember Japan was known for making inferior products back in the 60's and 70's?
 

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Last year the PBS Nova science series released an hour-long episode featuring a close friend of mine, who built a 1/4 scale model of one of the smaller gate buildings to the Forbidden City. Then they set it on one of those huge seismic-simulation shakers, and kept ramping it up as far as possible, clear past Richter eleven, and couldn't topple it. He was working on another 1/20th scale model at his house when I visited him a couple months ago. The Ming engineers figured out how to build something with interlocking joints, totally devoid of even screws or nails, or even a fixed foundation, more resistant to their frequent earthquakes than anything we can do with structural steel and concrete today. Characteristically, most of the quickie public construction in China today has proved to be miserably fragile in earthquakes. The achilles heel of the Ming buildings was fire. And hundreds of thousands of lives were lost as slave labor. The Grand Canal itself, which brought hardwood logs almost two thousand miles, was one of the greatest engineering accomplishments of all time, and even more brutal. Today, the shady policies of the big box corporations insist on inferior junk products, patent violations, safety shortcuts. I know the story extremely well. But I also set up the first Makita retail dealership in the US, with things as weird and heretical as power mitre saws and plunge routers - almost got fired by the owner for that kind of audacity investing his money - who in their right mind would pay several hundred dollars for a mitre box when you can get a maple one for a dollar and ninety-nine cents? But Makita first had to overcome the Japanese reputation for junk. So they handed out samples. I still have that orange corded drill - truly lifetime quality. And my ole cast iron mitre saw is still going strong after nearly 40 years of hard use, albeit a relatively heavy shop tool by today's standards, but much more precise. Then it was Taiwan's turn, and they evolved from their notorious junk phase to making superb iron castings - something China still has a problem with. So it all depends on what people are willing to pay for. You don't get something for nothing. And all this talk of non-competitive outsourcing is a bit misleading, because so much of it is Wall Street mandated bait and switch marketing in the first place. But we're slowly learning how to make expendable junk too, unfortunately.
 
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Last year the PBS Nova science series released an hour-long episode featuring a close friend of mine, who built a 1/4 scale model of one of the smaller gate buildings to the Forbidden City. Then they set it on one of those huge seismic-simulation shakers, and kept ramping it up as far as possible, clear past Richter eleven,

This, or something very, very similar, made for interesting viewing here in Australia too (SBS television), where a model of the building was made to demonstrate the "rolling" ability of the foundations relative to seismic action, and because of the design, even at the worst demonstration level of an earthquate, the roof tiles were jarred lose but the building stood resolute.

What do you mean by "repellant coating"?
Well, they aren't specifically designated as such, but "water repellant" (oatings/multicoatings are a feature in the overall finishing of the filter. Taking B+W filters as an example (e.g. the top line KSM C-POL, digital or other), water will readily "bead" and run off on the surface, particularly noticeable in very fine, dewy rain where it can be cleared with one breath. A few Kenko and Hoya (made by Tokina) also have this feature.
 
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Then it was Taiwan's turn, and they evolved from their notorious junk phase to making superb iron castings

Interesting to note that the majority of cast iron camping pots and skillets here in Oz are made in Taiwan: very heavy, robust, beautifully detailed and do the job very well (cooking damper, soups, stews or rabbits or witchetty grub broth). We bought ours in May 2011 and it's still in mint condition despite heavy use during camping trips.
 

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Well, they aren't specifically designated as such, but "water repellant" (oatings/multicoatings are a feature in the overall finishing of the filter. Taking B+W filters as an example (e.g. the top line KSM C-POL, digital or other), water will readily "bead" and run off on the surface, particularly noticeable in very fine, dewy rain where it can be cleared with one breath. A few Kenko and Hoya (made by Tokina) also have this feature.

No, they are especially coated this way. It is not a side-effect of an optical-coating.
 

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I paid about $15 each for a #12 Yellow and #21 67mm Tiffen filters, used. I was willing to pay a bit more as I required them rather urgently for shooting Aerochrome and they were the secure option, as many other used listings did not have the specific Wratten Number. Infact, while researching I encountered a blog which compared different Orange filters and there is variation in the shades used, so good luck on the chinese ones for that. So far so good, these Tiffen seem coated and have been nice for B&W after the single EIR experiment.

Every once in a while I think about purchasing a deep IR for B&W and even trying in digital but I always forget about it. I think a cheap one could work because I'd not be using it that often.

An alternative with an excellent price performance ratio are the ADOX SNAP-ON Filters:
https://www.fotoimpex.com/cameras-accessories/filters/colour-correction-filters/
Extremely cheap but with quite good quality. I was positively surprised when I tested them. No problem to make 30x40 centimeter prints from 35mm negatives.

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Henning
They seem an excellent option for more novelty/less used filters such as the IR they offer. Seemingly it's a very deep red rather than IR but for a very occasional use it should be fine.

SRB in the UK make there own filters,mounts Etc and a ;lot more, about half the price of most others, in pretty much all sizes from small to large, I have bought several from them for my classic cssmeras, and they will make to order, Quality, very good , mounts are all metel, filters are glass
Richard
I encountered them when looking for filters and got from eBay used a ND grad 0.6 and CPL in 77mm. My interest was in the former, for usage with Slide film, which anyways having a Fuji 6x9 RF I found not to really use it much. I did use the CPL quite a bit on digital, but with a 70-200 telephoto there was some loss of sharpness at large magnification which I would deem to the use of the CPL.
 

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as many other used listings did not have the specific Wratten Number. Infact, while researching I encountered a blog which compared different Orange filters and there is variation in the shades used, ...

-) manufacturers use different designations


-) different colouring techniques are employed
(water-soluable dyes for gelatin, oil-soluoble dyes for resin, minerals for glass)

This results in different absorbtion spectra. And thus even identical designations may result in different absorbtion
 

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Oh my goodness! Stewing rabbits - what a waste of both cast iron and good meat. The way to do it is to skewer them on a stick over a slow campfire. But don't get greasy fingers on your filters afterwards.
 

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Oh my goodness! Stewing rabbits - what a waste of both cast iron and good meat. The way to do it is to skewer them on a stick over a slow campfire. But don't get greasy fingers on your filters afterwards.

dude cheap filters repel rabbit grease !
 
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It’s interesting sometimes to see two very similar, but at the same time very different markets which overlap in product use. The quality of filters and the consumer market’s race to the bottom of the barrel compared to non-consumer optical systems is one example.

In the professional optics world, colored filter glass pretty much either comes from Hoya or Schott. I’m confident in a filter that traces back to those manufacturers. I also tend to buy filters with AR coatings to reduce the risk of ghosting in the image. Those tend to be more expensive, but not insanely so. My opinion. Kodak (Wratten) used to be in that mix, but they haven’t shown much interest in that market for many years.


For completeness, more exacting filtering requires more precise filters than the colored glass we are familiar with. Dichroic or interference filters come from a host of suppliers that will be unfamiliar to the consumer market, but they have much more precise (consistent) filtering characteristics and are an order of magnitude more expensive than what we buy. Places like Edmund Optics and Thorlabs are the low-cost catalog store entry point into those types of products. Melles Griot, Semrock, Knight Optical and a host of others are more commonly used (in my industry) sources for those.
Where does B&W get their glass from or do they make it?
 
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Is there a study that compares filter types and manufacturers to resolution in digital and size of film format. In other words, large format film vs. 35mm film? 16mb digital sensor vs. 46mb digital sensor? Not digital vs. film.

Now, is there another study that compares the above but this time digital vs. film?
 
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I recently bought the more expensive B&W because I only needed one for each type as all my four RB67 lenses require the same 77mm mount. I can see how it can get expensive with different requirements for each lens you own.
 

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Where does B&W get their glass from or do they make it?

From Schneider Optics "B+W Filters for Photography" FAQ at https://www.schneideroptics.com/info/faq/bw.htm#qu8

8. Where does B+W get its glass?

Most of the glass comes from Schott, the finest German glass manufacturer. Exceptions would be our diopters and cross screen filters which utilize high-quality optical glass.

I consider Schott and Hoya filter glass to be of similar quality.
 

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Gosh, just buy whatever filter you want. You don't have to justify the cost, cheap or expensive, to me or anyone else. Why argue the point?
 

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No reason to argue about stopping at a stop light or not either. You can always learn the hard way. I saw it last season in the mountains. A nice fellow had come all the way from Belgium and carried a big pack for three weeks with about 20K of pro digital camera gear in it. Latest and greatest lenses, carefully protected with cheap fogged-up filters. The end result: he would have gotten sharper pictures using a five dollar disposable cardboard camera.
 

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It never ceases to amaze me that some people will spend hours researching every lens they can to find "the" lens with just the perfect sharpness, colour integrity, smooth bokeh blah blah blah, shell out serious money for it and then put some piece of crap filter on it. Stupid is as stupid does.
 
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