Not sure that i understand, but...
The incident meter doesn't need to 'compensate' for shadow values, because it 'automatically' allows shadows within the subject to be and remain shadows.
All reflective surfaces only should be as evenly lit as possible if you want them to appear shadow- and featureless in the image you will be creating.
I rarely want such a thing, am very happy instead with the way light 'sculpts' things.
I feel you know what I meant, but let me explain more fully, especially for new analog shooters.
In a sun shade situation, the incident meter will give empty shadows if read in the sun and it will blow the highlights if read in the shadow. Sun/shade situations are usually handled by taking a reflective reading in the shadow and then reducing the exposure one, two, or even three stops------this compensates for the meter wanting make everything middle gray and provides an end result with a shadow value that is more appropriate to the scene and probably one's visualization.
I don't think what you say is correct. If the subject is, for example, back lit you certainly don't want to meter the backlit portion. You meter on the front of the subject towards the lens.
That's what I have always readpoint the dome toward the camera position.
I used to meter the palm of my hand with a Weston before I found a dome for it.
2F/2F is working his way around the backlighting objection by saying (rather obliquely) that the light source isn't the backlight anymore in that situation, but the light source is whatever is causing fill on the side away from the backlight. This is a rather awkward and confusing way to state the case, especially when read by a beginning photographer. 2F/2F is also recommending a method for the studio which is more often used to determine lighting ratios, and is rather more suited to a flat incident plate rather than a hemispherical dome receptor on the meter.
Q.G. explained it perfectly when he said: "In general, you point the meter/dome towards the light illuminating the part of the subject you want to have exposed properly." It is as simple as that.
Whatever you are metering with incident, reflected or spot, it is calibrated at Zone V, the so-called "middle grey" value. That reading is taken as a baseline reference from where you deviate + or to suit the conditions. You must use judgement as to what to accept from the meter's recommendation and which way to deviate from that recommendation.
It is correct that an incident reading should have the meter facing the direction of the camera, especially in point-light illumination. If the scene has diffuse (e.g. flat or overcast) illumination, an incident reading can be made anywhere, not necessarily facing back to the camera.
Where clearly delineated shadow and highlight areas exist, spot metering, not incident is a better method to assess the areas where detail is required in shadows and highlights. This method accounts for principal luminances in the scene you have, rather than assume the entire scene is an 'average' one. Once all hi/lo areas have been assessed, average them; the meter's Average/Ev= or baseline Mid-tone from a grey card will do this, or dissect scene readings mentally.
The manuals I have for my Gossen incident meters both say to point the meter from the subject to the camera. Do either Q.G. or 2F/2F have a published reference for your alternative method?
If you know how to correct the reflected light reading to get the desired result, you will also know how to do the same to the incident light readings.
I really think this is what I as after initially. And, if the incident meter gives a general middle gray for the entire subject, how does one determine how to place the desired area of the subject in the desired zone? [...]
An incident meter does not see a subject. So, it cannot even consider the tonality of a subject. It only sees the light falling on its dome. ...
I simply have never used an incident meter.
Semantic quibbles aside (all meters have to arrive at a reading that will result in some kind of average reading, be it reflected light or incident light)
how does one control an incident meter if there are distinct shadows and highlights?
What if the sun is very bright, but there are also many shadow areas that I want to capture? Surely in these kinds of conditions, an incident meter will give a reading that needs to be adjusted, not simply one that represents the way the eye sees.
How does one adjust if there is no reference point such as a portion of the subject set to zone xyz (in a reflected light metering)?
You have it right. I didn't quote your whole response, for brevity, but the operative term you use is "even light". An incident light meter is limited for that reason. If you want to read shadows, complex multiple light scenes, etc. with an incident meter, I guess you can, but WHY? Why not use the reflected light meter, which is simpler, requires a lot less mental gymnastics...
I suppose that for people who enjoy that stuff, its fine. I don't have time for it, and if I'm going to expend mental energy on that level, I'd rather be working on the problem for which the answer is "42". After 46 years of intensive work in photography I'll keep doing it if it's fun. If not, I'll draw on animal skins with a burnt stick.
Semantic quibbles aside (all meters have to arrive at a reading that will result in some kind of average reading, be it reflected light or incident light), how does one control an incident meter if there are distinct shadows and highlights? What if the sun is very bright, but there are also many shadow areas that I want to capture? Surely in these kinds of conditions, an incident meter will give a reading that needs to be adjusted, not simply one that represents the way the eye sees. How does one adjust if there is no reference point such as a portion of the subject set to zone xyz (in a reflected light metering)? Also, perhaps many of the responses are leaning toward a more general audience than myself, but I hardly consider myself a beginner. I simply have never used an incident meter.
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