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Hi Ken,
You are absolutely right, it's not an emotional thing (although you wouldn't say so reading some posts on a forum like this :smile:
The OP question was whether it is possible to avoid making test strips by using some kind of light meter.
Most people here agree that making test strips is the way to go. Some even say it's the only way and probably fully master the art.
Some use some kind of tool, like the EM10.
That's all fine. Do what makes you happy. The result will undoubtedly be the same and that's what counts.
The only thing I did was answering the original question: it is possible to make a perfect print without any test strips.
I am not commercially involved in the Heiland system, I'm just a happy user.
When I started in the darkroom some 50 years ago I learned to make test strips of course and I used them for about 35 years.
I also used several analyzers over the years, but was never satisfied with te results. Maybe I was just a lousy printer.
Coming back to the darkroom after 15 years of absence is like a dream thanks to the Heiland system. That's were the emotion comes in, I guess.
Don't even have to think about variables. It's all in the software.
Frank
 

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The Heiland Split grade unit is in a different league to the em10 since it measures negative transmission, works out exposure time and sets filtration for you. You can't compare the two.
 
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So I was wondering if normal principles of photography (plus the Zone System) could be applied here with the help of incident light meter lying on the base board.

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Any thoughts whether this could work? Do you guys know/use other methods?

The only thing I did was answering the original question: it is possible to make a perfect print without any test strips.

Actually, a more careful reading of the above shows that the original two questions were: Could the normal principles of photography be applied when using an incident light meter on the baseboard? And second: Do you guys know of or use other methods to the same end?

The post never posed the question: It is possible to make a perfect print without any test strips?

And my answer to the second original question is: Yes, another valid method of determining exposure is to make an initial test strip using a manually applied exponential (f/stop timer style) exposure sequence. This will have the effect of surrounding the unknown negative and always give an initially useful result.

It is, in effect, a universal starting point for all negatives that will always work on the first try, while also factoring in the greatest number of system variables.

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Actually, a more careful reading of the above shows that the original two questions were: Could the normal principles of photography be applied when using an incident light meter on the baseboard? And second: Do you guys know of or use other methods to the same end?

The post never posed the question: It is possible to make a perfect print without any test strips?

And my answer to the second original question is: Yes, another valid method of determining exposure is to make an initial test strip using a manually applied exponential (f/stop timer style) exposure sequence. This will have the effect of surrounding the unknown negative and always give an initially useful result.

It is, in effect, a universal starting point for all negatives that will always work on the first try, while also factoring in the greatest number of system variables.

Ken

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Jeez Gentlemen, I'm out of my league here...

I've been printing for 30+ years and still can't seem to get a decent work print on the first try without a test strip (or two). Then it takes me all day to get from there to a fine print...

But then again, my negative densities are all over the place (intentionally) and my enlarger head is never, ever at the same height for two different prints. Add to that that I develop some negatives to work on grade 3 (or higher) paper and some to be on grade 2 and that I often overexpose by a stop (or more) to get shadow detail up out of the toe of the film curve or underexpose to do just the opposite. Heck, I even make mistakes metering and exposing my negatives from time to time...

So, I first contact print everything. Mostly just for the record and to store together with the negative and so I can cogitate on cropping and exposure things without handling the neg. However, I also make "proper proofs," i.e., contact printing at the minimum exposure to render close to max. black through the unexposed portion of the film. The resulting contact print then gives me info on contrast, overall exposure, etc., which I use when printing. Mostly it gives me a really good idea of the contrast I want to start with (either a "grade" when I'm working with graded paper or a filtration setting when working with VC).

When I print, I make test strips. Not of the average or "representative" areas of the negative, but of the print highlights. I use a percentage exposure (similar to f-stop but much easier in my estimation). I like ~20% for the first test strip - 10 - 12 - 14 - 17 - 20 - 24 - 29 - 35 - 42 seconds for my first test strip (I've got the sequence memorized). If that doesn't include a too-dark and a too-light strip, I'll change aperture and try again (usually it does, however).

Because I base my print exposure on the highlights, I'll then dry the test strip completely; drydown isn't predictable and it affects different subjects in different (subjective) ways. When I have decided on a base exposure, I'll make a fairly straight print, maybe incorporating some obvious dodging and burning. I'll develop that and dry it down, tack it up on the white board, turn on the gallery lighting and sit on a stool for 10 minutes or so evaluating it and taking notes. I'll then make another print... Or I may decide to change the contrast, at which time I'll tweak the filtration or change grade and then start with another test strip.

I make lots of prints of one negative; some darker, some lighter, more and less contrasty, with different dodging, burning, bleaching, more or less development, different or split-developed, on a different brand of paper, tweaking my developer with BZA or carbonate, etc. These all get hung up on the "gallery wall" in my darkroom and evaluated under brighter and dimmer light. The vast majority of these get torn up and discarded. I sit, look and take notes for the next print. Think some more, then go back to the enlarger and make another print.

If I'm lucky, after a couple of hours I'll be happy with a print and I'll make a "run" of prints (usually 3-5). If not, I make prints and hang them up till I have 3-5 that I can't decide between. These I'll call "keepers" and valid performances of the negative. I'm really satisfied if I make nice prints from two or three negatives in a session.

I wash and dry everything and evaluate again the next day, culling as I go and reprinting if needed. I usually end up with 3-5 copies of the same print that I'm satisfied with. When I've saved up 36 prints that I want to keep, I'll do a toning session. Often I'll tone too much or too little for my taste and end up culling some more. If I get two or three final prints that I think are worth mounting and displaying, I'm doing well.

I print with a metronome, count seconds in my head, and use simple test strips and take a lot of time, make a lot of bad prints and waste a lot of paper. My trash can is my most used darkroom accessory.

You guys seem to be able to eyeball a neg or use your fancy exposure meter and make a great print in one or two tries.

I must be a really lousy printer...

Doremus
 
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Jeez Gentlemen, I'm out of my league here...

I've been printing for 30+ years and still can't seem to get a decent work print on the first try without a test strip (or two). Then it takes me all day to get from there to a fine print...

But then again, my negative densities are all over the place (intentionally) and my enlarger head is never, ever at the same height for two different prints. Add to that that I develop some negatives to work on grade 3 (or higher) paper and some to be on grade 2 and that I often overexpose by a stop (or more) to get shadow detail up out of the toe of the film curve or underexpose to do just the opposite. Heck, I even make mistakes metering and exposing my negatives from time to time...

So, I first contact print everything. Mostly just for the record and to store together with the negative and so I can cogitate on cropping and exposure things without handling the neg. However, I also make "proper proofs," i.e., contact printing at the minimum exposure to render close to max. black through the unexposed portion of the film. The resulting contact print then gives me info on contrast, overall exposure, etc., which I use when printing. Mostly it gives me a really good idea of the contrast I want to start with (either a "grade" when I'm working with graded paper or a filtration setting when working with VC).

When I print, I make test strips. Not of the average or "representative" areas of the negative, but of the print highlights. I use a percentage exposure (similar to f-stop but much easier in my estimation). I like ~20% for the first test strip - 10 - 12 - 14 - 17 - 20 - 24 - 29 - 35 - 42 seconds for my first test strip (I've got the sequence memorized). If that doesn't include a too-dark and a too-light strip, I'll change aperture and try again (usually it does, however).

Because I base my print exposure on the highlights, I'll then dry the test strip completely; drydown isn't predictable and it affects different subjects in different (subjective) ways. When I have decided on a base exposure, I'll make a fairly straight print, maybe incorporating some obvious dodging and burning. I'll develop that and dry it down, tack it up on the white board, turn on the gallery lighting and sit on a stool for 10 minutes or so evaluating it and taking notes. I'll then make another print... Or I may decide to change the contrast, at which time I'll tweak the filtration or change grade and then start with another test strip.

I make lots of prints of one negative; some darker, some lighter, more and less contrasty, with different dodging, burning, bleaching, more or less development, different or split-developed, on a different brand of paper, tweaking my developer with BZA or carbonate, etc. These all get hung up on the "gallery wall" in my darkroom and evaluated under brighter and dimmer light. The vast majority of these get torn up and discarded. I sit, look and take notes for the next print. Think some more, then go back to the enlarger and make another print.

If I'm lucky, after a couple of hours I'll be happy with a print and I'll make a "run" of prints (usually 3-5). If not, I make prints and hang them up till I have 3-5 that I can't decide between. These I'll call "keepers" and valid performances of the negative. I'm really satisfied if I make nice prints from two or three negatives in a session.

I wash and dry everything and evaluate again the next day, culling as I go and reprinting if needed. I usually end up with 3-5 copies of the same print that I'm satisfied with. When I've saved up 36 prints that I want to keep, I'll do a toning session. Often I'll tone too much or too little for my taste and end up culling some more. If I get two or three final prints that I think are worth mounting and displaying, I'm doing well.

I print with a metronome, count seconds in my head, and use simple test strips and take a lot of time, make a lot of bad prints and waste a lot of paper. My trash can is my most used darkroom accessory.

You guys seem to be able to eyeball a neg or use your fancy exposure meter and make a great print in one or two tries.

I must be a really lousy printer...

Doremus

Well, don't worry, I think I am still the lousy printer.
I would't be able to make my prints without my "fancy exposure meter".
I don't mind, but it's true.
Cheers,
Frank
 
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I print with a metronome, count seconds in my head, and use simple test strips and take a lot of time, make a lot of bad prints and waste a lot of paper. My trash can is my most used darkroom accessory.

You guys seem to be able to eyeball a neg or use your fancy exposure meter and make a great print in one or two tries.

I must be a really lousy printer...

Doremus

Doremus, I'm sure you are excellent printer, but the reason for my question is to run a darkroom exactly polar opposite to yours, that is a darkroom that can (to the maximum extent possible) avoid using the thrash can and have much higher throughput.

You obviously have different goals. That's because in the world of 4x5 it's a different story - those negatives could and should use any amount of love that's necessary. To begin with with, they were exposed because the subject really deserved such a negative and the amount of work that goes into taking the photograph through a view camera. On the other hand, shooting 35mm film is much more casual, you end up up with 36 negatives, most of them worth 5x7 prints at most and rarely a frame and space on the wall. Medium format is somewhere in between, although it can easily produce view camera caliber photos especially in situations where the use of view camera is simply impossible.

So for the sake of those casual prints, or prints for family members and friends or prints that simply go to an album and never on the walls - those I'd like to print quickly and without trial and error. I simply want to make it quick and painless but at the same treating each neg individually and steering away from Walmart approach to printing.

The other thing is, in the times of Ansel Adams or Edward Weston, photographic paper must have been as cheap as toilet paper I imagine. Not so much these days. Having cheap paper the great masters of the past had no problem advocating the test prints - while at the same time having no technical means to avoid it.

To sum things up, paper wasting is a no no. Even for important, artistic prints I see no reason to waste paper if there's a method that allows to eliminate some variables from making the proper and desired exposure.

J.
 

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get heiland split grade unit then. And don't complain about the price cos we might just think you're a cheapskete who wants something for nothing. The Heiland will save you a lot of time and time is money as they say.

I still think any printer worth his salt can take the vast majority of negs and produce a decent quality work print first time every time without a meter if he knows his equipment and materials. If he can't then he's got something to learn which might be a better path to follow.
 

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A competent work print is like landing your ship, stepping onto Plymouth Rock, and saying, now what do we do? It's just the beginning.
 

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Doremus, I'm sure you are excellent printer, but the reason for my question is to run a darkroom exactly polar opposite to yours, that is a darkroom that can (to the maximum extent possible) avoid using the thrash can and have much higher throughput.

You obviously have different goals. That's because in the world of 4x5 it's a different story - those negatives could and should use any amount of love that's necessary. To begin with with, they were exposed because the subject really deserved such a negative and the amount of work that goes into taking the photograph through a view camera. On the other hand, shooting 35mm film is much more casual, you end up up with 36 negatives, most of them worth 5x7 prints at most and rarely a frame and space on the wall. Medium format is somewhere in between, although it can easily produce view camera caliber photos especially in situations where the use of view camera is simply impossible.

So for the sake of those casual prints, or prints for family members and friends or prints that simply go to an album and never on the walls - those I'd like to print quickly and without trial and error. I simply want to make it quick and painless but at the same treating each neg individually and steering away from Walmart approach to printing.

The other thing is, in the times of Ansel Adams or Edward Weston, photographic paper must have been as cheap as toilet paper I imagine. Not so much these days. Having cheap paper the great masters of the past had no problem advocating the test prints - while at the same time having no technical means to avoid it.

To sum things up, paper wasting is a no no. Even for important, artistic prints I see no reason to waste paper if there's a method that allows to eliminate some variables from making the proper and desired exposure.

J.

Don't discount either the trash can or Walmart approach to printing - both have their place.

The good Walmart prints come from a lot of technology, and a well trained and talented operator. But that technology is based on the premise that things like magnification are fixed, thus eliminating some major variables.

If in your initial post you had said that your query was related mostly to the sorts of prints that might be fairly described as standard magnification "proofs", then you probably would have got different responses.

If you use experience, detailed notes and/or simple technology like the basic enlarging meters that are available, it is a straightforward if somewhat laborious task to standardize light intensities, and therefore leave the test strip process to just work out the peculiarities of individual negatives. And even that can be partially streamlined with more high end equipment like the Heiland unit. But in the end, if you want your prints to reflect your judgment and vision, that trash can is going to be a necessary accessory.

By the way, printing paper has never been cheap. It's relative price vs. the price of other components in the process may have varied over the years, but I'm sure that Adams and Weston had times when its price challenged them.
 
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But in the end, if you want your prints to reflect your judgment and vision, that trash can is going to be a necessary accessory.

Wise words...

Ken
 
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Jerry,

My post wasn't really directed at you, but at those who seem to be able to just slap a piece of photo paper under the enlarger, hold up a wet finger to the wind, squint a bit and say, "f/8 at 15 seconds and a #3 1/2 filter will be right on and it'll be a gallery print and I'll only have used one sheet of paper; ain't I a great printer!" I can't make a decent work print without something (I like test strips) and then, as Drew mentions, that's only the beginning. And, I was feeling particularly sarcastic that day...

If you want lots of 4x6 prints from your 35mm negs, then some kind of system with a fixed magnification, basic exposure calculation like a regular processor would be in order. Heck, if your volume is big enough, then investing in a printing/processing machine might not be a bad idea. Maybe even taking or sending your film to a reputable lab to get 4x6 or 5x7 proofs would be viable; you'll have to figure in your costs and time vs what the lab costs. The Heiland unit Rob mentions sounds like a good compromise if you want to work at home.

And yes, I forget sometimes that there are other reasons to print than the ones I have and that adequate quality is relative to purpose.

Best,

Doremus
 

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Doremus, I'm sure you are excellent printer, but the reason for my question is to run a darkroom exactly polar opposite to yours, that is a darkroom that can (to the maximum extent possible) avoid using the thrash can and have much higher throughput.

You obviously have different goals. That's because in the world of 4x5 it's a different story - those negatives could and should use any amount of love that's necessary. To begin with with, they were exposed because the subject really deserved such a negative and the amount of work that goes into taking the photograph through a view camera. On the other hand, shooting 35mm film is much more casual, you end up up with 36 negatives, most of them worth 5x7 prints at most and rarely a frame and space on the wall. Medium format is somewhere in between, although it can easily produce view camera caliber photos especially in situations where the use of view camera is simply impossible.

So for the sake of those casual prints, or prints for family members and friends or prints that simply go to an album and never on the walls - those I'd like to print quickly and without trial and error. I simply want to make it quick and painless but at the same treating each neg individually and steering away from Walmart approach to printing.

The other thing is, in the times of Ansel Adams or Edward Weston, photographic paper must have been as cheap as toilet paper I imagine. Not so much these days. Having cheap paper the great masters of the past had no problem advocating the test prints - while at the same time having no technical means to avoid it.

To sum things up, paper wasting is a no no. Even for important, artistic prints I see no reason to waste paper if there's a method that allows to eliminate some variables from making the proper and desired exposure.

J.

hi jerry

as you said, everyone's needs and wants are different.

good luck finding a system that works with your needs.
 
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So what is this Heiland unit? Can only find links to articles discussing it but not to the product itself.

Oh, and how about this: http://www.darkroomautomation.com/pem.htm

Also to clarify: I'm not into printing tons of 5x7 (never ever 4x6!) pics. Only occasionally when I have a roll or two of 35 mm film. Doing test strip for each frame would be a headache. Also some negatives would deserve an enlargement (say 8x10 or 11x14 max) and/or a crop. So enlarging head's distance to paper can be different for each frame. On top of that negative's contrast may call for different filters. That's way too many variables that eliminate any chance for repetability of the process.

Sure experience will help but even then I'm sure I will encounter negatives that will surprise me. So far I've printed about twenty negatives only (4x5 and 6x7) on about three times more sheets of paper of various formats. All of these negatives surprised me in terms of exposures required vs exposures I thought would be right judging from a previous, similar negative. BTW, my total paper consumption has been so far about 4100 square inches, all on a single batch of chemistry, which is now almost 3 weeks old and still doing well. Is it normal?

Anyway, the artistic intent and intricacies of an individual image on each particular negative may call for different exposure and filter even if two such negatives have (hypothetically) identical histograms and would yield identical readings of their average density. These "right" exposures can only be tested by walking the walk and making those work prints. I get that part.

But it still doesn't preclude the usefulness of a device able to count those pesky photons (per unit area in Watts per cm^2 or lumens) at the surface of the paper.
 
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Found something related: Zone Master II (from the same manufacturer). Is it the device you guys refer to as Heiland? So it looks like this device and Darkroom Automation one could be applied here to the ends I described in my OP.

Heiland Splitgrade doesn't appear to be a meter but more of a methodology having something to do with paper grades (haven't read through it thoroughly).
 

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I had out my enlarging meter last night, not to calibrate paper, but to check illumination evenness with my reconditioned 8x10 color enlarger and various lenses. Came in handy.
 

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So what is this Heiland unit? Can only find links to articles discussing it but not to the product itself.

Oh, and how about this: http://www.darkroomautomation.com/pem.htm

Also to clarify: I'm not into printing tons of 5x7 (never ever 4x6!) pics. Only occasionally when I have a roll or two of 35 mm film. Doing test strip for each frame would be a headache. Also some negatives would deserve an enlargement (say 8x10 or 11x14 max) and/or a crop. So enlarging head's distance to paper can be different for each frame. On top of that negative's contrast may call for different filters. That's way too many variables that eliminate any chance for repetability of the process.

Sure experience will help but even then I'm sure I will encounter negatives that will surprise me. So far I've printed about twenty negatives only (4x5 and 6x7) on about three times more sheets of paper of various formats. All of these negatives surprised me in terms of exposures required vs exposures I thought would be right judging from a previous, similar negative. BTW, my total paper consumption has been so far about 4100 square inches, all on a single batch of chemistry, which is now almost 3 weeks old and still doing well. Is it normal?

Anyway, the artistic intent and intricacies of an individual image on each particular negative may call for different exposure and filter even if two such negatives have (hypothetically) identical histograms and would yield identical readings of their average density. These "right" exposures can only be tested by walking the walk and making those work prints. I get that part.

But it still doesn't preclude the usefulness of a device able to count those pesky photons (per unit area in Watts per cm^2 or lumens) at the surface of the paper.

The Heiland system consists of a control unit and a filter unit for your enlarger.
The control unit is the heart of the system. It is a kind of analyzer. The software in the analyzer contains information about a lot of papers and films. The analyzer can be used with or without the filter unit.
If you use the filter unit, the whole procedure is more or less automatic. Finally there is also an Comfort unit, which does exactly what the name suggests.
You can find a lot of information on the Heiland Electronic website. The best review I know is:

http://www.imx.nl/photo/Film/Film/page37.html

In short, without any test strip you get a perfect working print in minutes.
The only negative point may be the price, but if time is money, or at least precious.......

Frank
 

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Only occasionally when I have a roll or two of 35 mm film. Doing test strip for each frame would be a headache. Also some negatives would deserve an enlargement (say 8x10 or 11x14 max) and/or a crop. So enlarging head's distance to paper can be different for each frame. On top of that negative's contrast may call for different filters. That's way too many variables that eliminate any chance for repetability of the process.

If your negatives are significantly different on the same roll of film then you should first fix your camera and metering techniques before worrying about printing.

The simplest, quickest and cheapest answer to your question (assuming that you can make consistent camera exposures) has been mentioned already. Make contact-prints to give film-base as maximum black and work from those. Any adjustments, from a contact sized projection (slightly bigger than 8x10") to a standard print such as your 5x7", will be consistent -- for example, close the lens one stop and then remove a further 0,2 of a stop with the timer. In the rare situation that you need to adjust contrast or exposure then you can also see that from the contact-sheet.

If you can afford the complete Heiland system then there is no need to worry about the cost of commercial printing for a few rolls per year, and it does the same job (though much quicker and with less practice) as the contact-sheet method.
 

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Hi Jerry_K,

I know this is old but wanted to give my 2 cents (or pence, depending on your region). The advice you have been given re: test strips is all good, and many of the people here are fine art printers to whom a test strip is indispensable. One of the members is even the co-author of a superb book relating to black and white photography with a focus on analogue techniques.

That being said, you clearly want to get more quickly to an acceptable print, hopefully on your first attempt, and I think some other posters have overlooked this. What I am about to suggest would require a little experimentation on your part, as this is only a theoretical idea and I have never tried it. If you try it and it works, let me know, I might have dreamed up something useful. This technique would only be valid for one combination of paper and developer at a particular grade, let us say grade 2. It will only be valid for negatives that print acceptably at grade 2. It will almost never give anything better than an acceptable working print.

This relies on the clever ability of a modern camera meter to guess the correct exposure for a scene. You can use a film or digital camera, preferably an SLR/DSLR from a manufacturer like Nikon or Canon, where the meter uses a sophisticated and well tuned algorithm to guess the exposure. Such meters are called matrix or evaluative, depending on the manufacturer. You want a camera whose meter performs well in very low light, which is an area where recent model SLR/DSLR's outperform compact cameras by far.

Take a negative where you have records of how to get a good print from it at grade 2 and note the aperture of the enlarger, enlarger exposure time and height of the enlarger above the baseboard. Use an exposure wheel (as can be found in among other places the excellent book Way Beyond Monochrome, one of the authors being Ralph W. Lambrecht who replied earlier) and align the nearest exposure time to the f-stop of the enlarger on the exposure wheel. It would be better to avoid exposures of more than a minute to avoid paper reciprocity failure. Now we could even factor in the paper ISO rating at grade 2 and look at the exposure wheel. So let's say that a good print at grade two for a given enlarger height (and enlarger lens I forgot to add) requires 8 seconds of exposure at grade 2 filtration at an f-stop of F11. We line up F11 with 8s on the wheel. We then note for the paper what the nearest ISO is on the wheel. Let us say that we are using Ilford MG IV RC, which is ISO 110 at grade 2, so we pick ISO 100. The exposure wheel indicates an EV (exposure value) of 4. Now this is not a true EV as we are not talking about an illuminated scene to be photographed, but rather the amount of light that is being thrown on a given area on the enlarger baseboard that our printing paper would see. We will still call this the 'EV' of the print but it isn't really correct, it's just how it is labelled on the wheel. Record this EV.

Now, put this negative in the enlarger, set it to the height as per the previous print records, and set all other variables (head, accessory condenser lens, enlarging lens, filtration, bulb position, etc.) to be the same as when the print was made. Turn on the enlarger and turn off all lights including the safe light (make sure you can easily turn them on again or use a torch, don't want to trip in the dark in case the enlarger goes out). Open up the aperture fully and focus the image. Now, stop down to the same f-stop in the printing records (in this case F11), leaving the enlarger light source on. Some darkroom timers have a 'focus' setting. use this.

Now we take a white sheet of paper, that is smaller than the entire negative area for are smallest print size image area, but is large enough so that the lens on our camera can still focus on it and have it fill the entire viewfinder. If you don't print any smaller than 8x10 image area (ie: 8x10 paper where the image fills the paper) then an A4 sheet of white paper is fine. Place this sheet on the baseboard so it is entirely illuminated by the projected image. If it is a lot smaller than the projected image, centre it over the most interesting part of the image. Now, take out your camera with matrix meter, set it to aperture priority with the lens wide open and focus it on the white sheet of paper so that it just fills the viewfinder. Try to position the camera perpendicular to the image as much as possible, although the enlarger head will obviously get in the way. Now check what exposure is being recommended by the camera's meter. If the exposure time suggested is at the camera's maximum shutter speed, increase the ISO number until it is below this. Line up the camera f-stop to the suggested shutter speed. Now record the EV that corresponds to the ISO setting of the camera, in this case let's say 400 ISO for 8s at F2.8, giving a measured EV of -2.

If we use a DSLR like Canon or Nikon with in camera image retouching features we could even take our camera image which is a negative and using the negative function get a positive. Now, compare this to the print and and adjust camera exposure accordingly until we get a positive that matches the exposure of the print and record this EV instead. We want to get enough exposure from the camera to record good highlight details.

Now we now know that an enlarger EV of 4 gave a measured EV on the baseboard using our camera of -2. So we make a big assumption that for a given negative density of normal contrast will need an illumination on the baseboard of EV -2 to get an acceptable print. let us say we now have a negative that is denser, and also we are making a bigger print so the enlarger head is raised higher. We focus the image, except this time we will leave the aperture wide open, as we can adjust this later. we place the same piece of paper under the most important part of the image, focus the camera on the paper so that it fills the viewfinder and read the EV indicated by the meter. If this is -4 at ISO 400, Then we add 6 to get our enlarger EV of 4, which we align to our paper ISO of 100. If our enlarger wide open is F4, then we would expose our paper for 4 seconds. Probably we want to stop down a bit for better contrast and sharpness so instead we read off the wheel at F8 for 15 seconds or even F11 at 30 seconds. Try a print at this setting and adjust, or even make this the middle exposure of a test strip at half or quarter stop steps.

This should hopefully be a starting point and will obviate needing to buy expensive enlarging meters. Who knows, it might even give an acceptable print first time once the procedure is tweaked a bit. I suspect there are a lot of flaws and assumptions in this method. Probably the cameras matrix meter will be fooled somewhat by the negative image. If this is the case then better to use centre-weighted metering, but then again it might just work fine.

Any feedback would be appreciated, hope this helps.

Regards, Simon.
 

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I use one of the Darkroom Automation meters you have linked to, and find its excellent. I've tried an EM10 and a Philips sensor/timer, and the Darkroom Automation tool is significantly more consistent and accurate. Whether its truly accurate to a resolution of 0.01 stops is moot. The EM10 and Philips were probably only accurate to 0.3 stops. The DA tool is a good value piece of kit, considering paper costs say GBP 0.40 per 8x10 sheet, or more importantly time costs GBP 10 an hour. You can rattle through negatives very quickly with it, using a single piece of paper for each negative. I keep notes on my enlarger settings (there is a good guide on calibrating enlargers in Way Beyond Monochrome, and another from Paul Butzi, which is a free pdf floating the web).

Be prepared to discover further things that you want to tune though, such as film development. I am starting up printing test sheets having not done so for 5 years, and its got a good advantage from 2 perspectives: you see whether your development is wrong, you get to see which prints will fit your standardised times. However, I also use test strips to finally nail a print. I have also used split grade printing, and it really seems to produce a different looking print (better) although in theory its the same as printing with a single contrast setting.

Something which has not been considered in all this discussion of test prints has been the developer going off during a session. When you rigidly adhere to giving a particular number of stops of exposure to a print, you will notice the point that your develop runs out. This may be something I notice because I am using 500mls of working solution, so it runs out after 10 sheets? However, when making test strips, I can well imagine that people carry on using the developer when its past its best as the test strip will suggest more exposure required to cover up dying dev solution.
 

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Note that I have not been printing a LOT, so my eyes cannot make the visual exposure and contrast determination that an experienced printer can do.
So for me, my enlarging meter is similar to a camera or handheld light meter when taking a photo. Except now rather than exposing film, I am exposing paper.

I use an old Unicolor meter that has a needle meter, and the meter is calibrated in f-stops.
1 - This gives me the ability to determine the approximate density range of the negative, which is a step in determining what grade to print at (as a starting point)
2 - After printing a GOOD print, I determine what meter reading a dark shadow is (almost blackest black on the print). The time will remain fixed.
2a - This allows me to get a close initial print exposure of another negative, by adjusting the f-stop to get that same meter reading.
2b - I can change the height of the enlarger head or change lenses, to get a larger/smaller print, and adjust the f-stop and the print 'should be' the same.
2c - I can also change enlargers, and given the other variables are stable, the print 'should be' the same.
2d - If I need more time to dodge, I close down 1 stop and double my exposure time.

As has been said, critical in this process is making that good "reference print" to base your exposure on. For this discussion, what method you use to make this reference print does not matter. What we want is the final exposure of the reference print. This is the reference exposure for that paper and grade.

What this does for me is with an unknown/new negative, is to get the initial print 'close.'
From that initial print, I will then evaluate the entire print to determine how to adjust/fine tune the exposure, contrast, and/or burn/dodge the print.

When I was taking a photo class at the local community college, the meter allowed me to switch between enlargers without a problem. In a school darkroom, you cannot "claim" a specific enlarger, it was "first come, first served." And I was not always first into the darkroom. I imagine the same scenario at a club or community darkroom, where you may not be able to claim or reserve a specific enlarger, you only have a choice of the enlargers that are not being used.

As an alternative to the meter, I also used the old Kodak Projection Print Scale (PPS), to print a 4x5 test strip. A pie shaped test exposure. This was just so much easier than the old fashioned test strip, As with the meter, the PPS only got me to an initial exposure. I still had to evaluate that initial print to determine what adjustments needed to be made.
If I changed the height of the enlarger, I would have to do it again. Although I could calculate the exposure change by the height change.
If I changed to a different enlarger the next class (remember in the school darkroom, it was "first come, first served"), I would have to do another test exposure with the PPS.
Where the PPS worked better than a meter was where there was significant general darkroom safelight illumination that could not be turned off. This could be the situation in a school, club or community darkroom. This general illumination could throw off the meter and give you bad readings (general illumination + enlarger light).

I have not used the Ilford enlarging meter, but I did get one to see how it works, and to see if/how I can use it in my workflow.

About test strips.
The method that I was taught in high school did not work very well, and it took me a LONG time to figure out why. A strip of paper was put down and a cardboard covered it. A series of fixed exposures of X seconds were used. After each exposure, the cardboard was moved to expose more paper. The problem was that each segment was a fixed X seconds more, not a half or full stop more. So I did not get the range of exposure that I thought I was getting. The exposure steps were getting smaller and smaller.
Example, using 5 second segments, you have 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30 second segments (6 segment to look at). But if you look at the exposure, from 5 to 10 you get +1x, from 10 to 15 you get +1/2x, from 15 to 20 you get +1/3x, from 20 to 25 you get +1/4x, from 25 to 30 you get +1/5x. If you were off on the upper end, where you needed more exposure, you could be way off. An f-stop exposure of 1-stop or +1x step for 6 segments would be 5, 10, 20, 40, 80, 160 seconds. Quite a difference from 5,10,15,20,25,30.
And where is the test strip placed? It is a strip that covers different parts of the image, which could have and usually does have different film density and may or may not include the main subject. It was no wonder that even with test strips, we had trouble nailing the exposure of a print.

I recently ran into an old test strip device. It had hinged panels, so you could expose 1 segment at a time. And because you could expose 1 segment at a time, you could easily make a f-stop scale test strip, exposing each segment for the specified time, independent of the exposure of the other segments. I tried to make an f-stop test strip by the moving cardboard method, but the math for the additional exposure of each segment was not easy to figure out, and I constantly made mistakes in the darkroom. And with the hinged test strip device, you could move the device to expose the SAME part of the image for each test segment. Now that was a test strip that made sense.

In the end, the darkroom enlarging meter (of various types), the Kodak Projection Print Scale, and test strips are simply tools. To use them you have to understand how they work, their capabilities and limitations, choose the appropriate tool for the job, and work within the capabilities and limitations of that tool. They don't replace the computer that is your brain, or the years of good printing experience, they only assist you in getting that initial print close.

. . . Sorry for being so long winded.
 

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I tried to make an f-stop test strip by the moving cardboard method, but the math for the additional exposure of each segment was not easy to figure out, and I constantly made mistakes in the darkroom.
This pdf will give you a useful progression. It works in half stop increments. I use it to get things close, and then the chart in Beyond Monochrome to get results within 1/6 stop.

The bottom row has the increments - it tells you how many seconds to wait before you move on to the next.
You can see the progression in this less pretty text version (note that the step between 4 and 6 is a very inaccurate approximation of 1/2 stop)
To end up with this total time: 4 6 8 11 16 22 32 45 64
ad a next step with this time: 4 2 2 3 5 6 10 13 19
 

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Premium paper has never been cheap. That's why EW always tried to bag his keeper on the second print, even though he used just 8x10 paper. AA
wasted entire big sheets, and took strips from them to the microwave to view dried. But often one does need to work with a full sheet in order to
perfect the dodging and burning protocol for a particular image. Back when the Hunt brothers got a monopoly on the silver commodity market, a
number of photographers couldn't afford to print at all for awhile. I don't think meters would solve any of this. They might or might not simplify workflow in a production lab, but will never be a substitute for assessing high quality results. I have some excellent enlarging meters for diagnostic
work. But for ordinary black and white or even color neg printing, test strips are just so damn easy.
 

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Matt, now that I look at your chart, I wonder why I did not just print out the progression chart and tape it to the box of printer paper. Trying to do it in my head was where I messed up.
 
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