In your opinion, what are the best non-Leica rangefinders ever built?

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On the whole, all the Canon LTM bodies were excellent and many work quite well even today. From Japan, besides Canon, there were several other decent Leica copies made, many now rare, but all the models made by Nicca were standouts in my opinion as far as reliability. The Retina IIIS sold Kodak, but made in Germany, is a very good and often neglected non-Leica-standard beauty, and many still work fine.

Of course Nikon has already been mentioned. I have found however that many of the bodies need servicing today (and it's usually well worth the expense). The original S is a rock solid Nikon body.
 

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And I thought you were a Leica man.

I enjoy working with Leica cameras and I still have four or five Barnacks I shoot every now and again. But my eyes are not what they used to be and for everyday use I have found myself going out the door with the ZM every time I intend to shoot street. Who knows, that may change at some point in the future and I'll pick up another M camera. But for now I'm pretty happy with how the little Zeiss Ikon performs and I am very happy with that viewfinder. Once you master keeping your eye centered that viewfinder/rangefinder is very hard to beat.
 

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Welcome to APUG Photrio!!
 

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I like Nikon S2 as it can allow you to focus with one hand, and with 1:1 50mm frame.
 

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Firstly, I want to commiserate with you regarding the hostility your face in taking pictures. In my area, it is very biased. People seem not to mind if people take phone snaps, but if you have a real camera, you are treated like a criminal.

I know you are looking for a rangefinder. You said you wanted something small and light. I would agree with another poster that it could be worth it to at least take a look at SLR's. My Minolta XD-11 is relatively small and quiet and has a good meter. Olympus SLR's can be even smaller.
 

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For my money, the best value for a 35mm RF is a Leica IIIf (or g) with a 50mm f/3.5 collapsible Elmar on it (or the f/2 Summicron, but those are way too much money). The camera still holds up well after all these years and the lens - even the uncoated ones - is just tack sharp. The nice thing is, that these thread mount lenses can be refitted to an M body later, with the appropriate adapter.

Leica doesn't have to be expensive. It's only expensive if you have to have the latest thing and are a hipster willing to spend nosebleed money to impress the other hipsters at the lousy coffee place on the corner ...
 

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I would totally agree with this and have never had a camera with a shutter as quiet as a Leica IIIF. Pure Barnack genius an precision.
 

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I would totally agree with this and have never had a camera with a shutter as quiet as a Leica IIIF. Pure Barnack genius an precision.

A lot of rangefinder are quiet but the Barnacks are certainly very nice.
 

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I guess the Contax (iia/iiia/ii/iii )is considered a really noisy rangefinder, with its metal slat shutter but compared to an SLR it is near silent. The Retinas as @Don_ih implies are really quiet with their leaf shutters. I would say rangefinders tend to be pretty quiet, and comparisons between them are pretty minor relative the difference between rangefinders and SLRs.
 

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The most silent rangefinders have leaf shutters.

Many silent rangefinders have leaf shutters that need a CLA so the the leaves will no longer be stuck.
 

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Ditto. There is little meaningful difference in the volume of say a Zeiss Ikon and an M3 for instance, but the type of sound is certainly different, with the ZM sounding more metallic.
 

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The sound of the Leica shutter is comforting....

… but nothing as solid, strong and comforting as a good THA-WHACK!! from a Hasselblad
 

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The only Hasselblad I've used had a leaf shutter.

Me too. I was advised against getting the 2000 or 200 series by my Hasselblad repairman.
 

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The sound of the Leica shutter is comforting....

I do enjoy using Leicas, particularly of the Barnack persuasion, but there are a few other cameras with shutter sounds that I find more to my liking. But since this is a rangefinder thread I will stick to rangefinders. I do actually find the sound of the shutter in my Contax II more enjoyable than most others. It is not the quietest but it has a gentle, authoritative, metallic snick at about 1/50 that I really like. It is more sudden at 1/500 seconds and more drawn out at 1/10 seconds but there is never any doubt that this shutter is special whenever you hear it. I have always liked it. No other camera I own sounds like it and I think I would recognize it wherever I heard it even if I weren't the one pushing the shutter release. I don't think of the sound of the Leica shutter as being special in that same way.
 

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I don't think of the sound of the Leica shutter as being special in that same way.

I like the sound of the clockwork at 1 second, then the shump of the shutter closing.
It's not special - but it sounds reliable.
The Contax shutter is swell, if it works. Almost none of them work properly.
 

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I like the sound of the clockwork at 1 second, then the shump of the shutter closing.
It's not special - but it sounds reliable.
The Contax shutter is swell, if it works. Almost none of them work properly.

I have a Contax IIa which, after a proper CLA, works wonderfully well. The camera is a mechanical work of art. And its 50mm Sonnar f1.5 yields excellent images.
 

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The only Hasselblad I've used had a leaf shutter.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought all Hasselblads had a leaf and focal plane shutter?
 
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