Check it out. I have recently had 2 F4s, F100 and the F6 which I still have.
In your opinion, what are the best modern 35mm film SLRs ever built?
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Check it out. I have recently had 2 F4s, F100 and the F6 which I still have.
Nice
The only problem is using 35mm film in it....
Agree 90%, but a crap body ruins the experience.
I need to compare my F4 with my Minolta 9, I find that that the 9 matrix metering is usually a 1/2 stop different from average. Oddly, the most accurate matrix metering I've used are with my Sigma SA 7 and 9 which is the same metering used on the SA9 and 10. I read that Nikon matrix metering was optimized for chrom, so if so a 1/4 stop under?
That is a nice trip there and I hope to get up north on some of your visited locations. When I traveled out to AZ to see the parents I would usually travel up to the Grand Canyon at least and then come back down. Next fall I’ll be traveling north again but will hit Utah this time, unfortunately without a 4x5.
I have never heard that and I doubt that because Nikon would not know which film a future camera buyer may or may not choose.
Unless both cameras were calibrated by the same person with the same equipment that means nothing.
With proper use, the meter takes the mystery out of photography.
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I put 16mm through my century graphic. Major pano.
No, I did not read it all all.
By mistake I clicked on it whilst going through "New Posts" and directly was brought to your post, which triggered my reply.
My simple question to you is WHY are you 'working your way down' to 35mm? You're inevitably going to see a hit as regards image quality, unless you spend very big bucks on some high level glass (the body frankly is secondary). Personally I'd just dip a toe...find a decent but cheap Nikkormat or FM/FE and a couple of half decent lenses (which don't even need to be OEM, there are tons of good third-party options out there for F-mount) and see how you get on. You might find the IQ hit versus portabiity an unacceptable price to pay?
That's true, at this point the only calibrated meter I have is my Gossen, I had my Minolta 101 calibrated it matches my Gossen, but the tech I was using moved to Portland, need to find another.
Exactly! No mystery, no adventure.
The F6 was designed to be the ultimate fine art/luxury slr as at that point Nikon knew the pro market had moved onto digital cameras.
It was designed to work best with chrome films as that is seem by many as the high water mark for careful/quality use. C41 films are much more flexible w/re to exposure, while chromes are not. Anyone shooting chromes knows to expose for the highlights as when you project them you do not want that blown out.
Nikon biased the matrix pattern in the F6 for chromes. And it is very easy to see without even taking a pic just by framing a backlit scene, and seeing the exposure change under the different metering patterns.
Remember, Nikon ballyhooed the 3D Color Matrix metering in the F6, claiming that it meters on what is in focus as that is what is the subject matter. Using a D or G lens that supposedly fully utilizes that (and I have done this with two separate F6s) shows backlit situations will still cause underexposure on the subject, even if the subject is relatively close to the camera. It's like the programmers' orders were to save the highlights. Which is what chromes need.
Or just move to Portland.
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Don't think the notion has not crossed my mind. Today, right now 105, yesterday it was 113, will get some relief tomorrow, next few days around a hundred with chance of monsoon storms. June is our hottest month, hoping for additional rain and average temps in July.
It’s 65 and raining in Portland.
That would be the wisest move. Very good camera techs are real hard to find.
When is it not?
We have several really good shops. In addition to Blue Moon Camera and Machine there is Camera Solutions, Advance and Portland Camera Service. Plus I think Jadon Rosario, Red Dot Cameras Oregon is still in town.
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Disclaimer: Everyone has different priorities, and for me, price is important -- I love a good bargain. Besides, type of camera has very little influence on the quality of your photos -- what counts is the lens, film, and the person behind the rig. Given a competent photographer, a $35 Pentax MG can take just as good a photo as a $350 Nikon F4, so I opt for the Pentax (plus the Nikon is too heavy). With all that said...
If you want the BEST buy, chalk up another vote for the Minolta Maxuum 5. It has TONS of features (as if Minolta knew the film days were over soon and was just shoveling everything into the cameras as they left the factory) and the prices are unbeatable -- I bought mine for $17 shipped (story here). Plus they were on sale so close to the digital age that I think many of them got only light usage before going on the shelf.
Personally I find auto-everything cameras a bit boring, and prefer manual focus/manual wind cameras. For those, I really like the Ricoh SLRs, particularly the KR-10 (not -10M or -10 Super), XR-2 and XR-1 (and their Sears equivalents). They use Pentax lenses (though the Rikenon and Sears Autos are pretty good too) and are a little unrefined but do a great job.
If you want to get into Nikon, the N8008 is a killer bargain. Does 95% of what the pro cams (F4, F5 -- overrated if you ask me) and N90 can do, and it's still a bargain. Plus it uses cheaper lenses (AF-D, I believe). For MF Nikon, the unloved FG is, I think, a great camera -- detested by the Nikonisti (most of whom would never deign to pick one up) and beloved by those of us who actually use them. And while the FM2/FM3 are highly regarded and way overpriced, the FM actually isn't crazy -- though I think clockwork-shutter cameras (as opposed to electronic shutters) are also overrated.
HTH
Aaron
I'm partial to Pentax K-mount cameras, but that may not qualify as "newer". If you're talking about autofocus/auto-wind cameras, hard to beat the price/performance of Minolta.
I don't think it matters much -- they're all pretty good. I was born into the Pentax family, but one reason I like them is that the lenses are high quality and real bargains. For AF, it's almost impossible to beat the mid-90s-to-early-2000s Minoltas.
If you want the BEST buy, chalk up another vote for the Minolta Maxuum 5. It has TONS of features (as if Minolta knew the film days were over soon and was just shoveling everything into the cameras as they left the factory) and the prices are unbeatable -- I bought mine for $17 shipped (story here). Plus they were on sale so close to the digital age that I think many of them got only light usage before going on the shelf.
Personally I find auto-everything cameras a bit boring, and prefer manual focus/manual wind cameras. For those, I really like the Ricoh SLRs, particularly the KR-10 (not -10M or -10 Super), XR-2 and XR-1 (and their Sears equivalents). They use Pentax lenses (though the Rikenon and Sears Autos are pretty good too) and are a little unrefined but do a great job.
If you want to get into Nikon, the N8008 is a killer bargain. Does 95% of what the pro cams (F4, F5 -- overrated if you ask me) and N90 can do, and it's still a bargain. Plus it uses cheaper lenses (AF-D, I believe). For MF Nikon, the unloved FG is, I think, a great camera -- detested by the Nikonisti (most of whom would never deign to pick one up) and beloved by those of us who actually use them. And while the FM2/FM3 are highly regarded and way overpriced, the FM actually isn't crazy -- though I think clockwork-shutter cameras (as opposed to electronic shutters) are also overrated.
HTH
Aaron
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