That too haha, you're all pervs! I'm the safe one, I only shoot nude young couples, you shoot older clothed couples, for shame! hehe (this is a joke fella's, it's not meant to be agist, or sexist, or anything but silly).
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That too haha, you're all pervs! I'm the safe one, I only shoot nude young couples, you shoot older clothed couples, for shame! hehe (this is a joke fella's, it's not meant to be agist, or sexist, or anything but silly).
I actually just grabbed it from Alamy.
I can take better pictures of old people than that!
You should put this sentence in your signature
Good idea
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But... Why catholic children? Don't they have enough issues with priests without a creepy guy shooting pictures they can't post on FB (facebook)... Lol
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WAIT A SECOND ! Think about WHY some official would ask a photographer to e-mail him some photos and why do you suppose he was keeping an eye on you? Hmmmm? Huh? HUH ! I probably would have called the cops and told them some guy with the church is soliciting child photographs from you, What's up with THAT? And they're always the victims, aren't they? And IMHO what's creepy here is the guy asked for photos ! YIKES !
This is what the world has become. <SIGH> This is where their minds are at without even thinking about what they're asking. I wouldn't send that guy anything other than a thanks for asking note by mail with a business card and maybe a link to your web site sans any pix of children of course.
Mark
This is what the world has become. <SIGH> This is where their minds are at without even thinking about what they're asking. I wouldn't send that guy anything other than a thanks for asking note by mail with a business card and maybe a link to your web site sans any pix of children of course.
Mark
I have to admit, even as a photographer, I feel like SOME of what you describe would even freak me out and bother me. I don't know why, I guess I just find it hard to believe that you wouldn't see why it might be creepy, perhaps you should go there with others so its not so weird.
Or go with a 4x5 so you can explain that you're shooting "street" images just like the old days to capture the "American lifestyle" it would make it seem more legit somehow I guess.
And underwater at a pool, that is certainly suspect...
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BTW not saying I suspect you of being a perv, just that I think you should be more aware of how you make people feel by being aware of "time and place" of things.
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Agree.
I think this goes for thinking before you're shooting as well. For your own sake, Iluvmycam, it's very important to have an understanding about why you're shooting anorexics and kids. If you're drawn to these subjects instinctively or because "Diane Arbus did it" (genre conventions), when you're asked questions - which you will be - you don't have much of a leg to stand on.
I'm really quite troubled by this statement. Given the sensitivity of this subject (human being), that really isn't good enough. It's certainly not what you'd tell her if she approached you, is it? This is a very timely issue, and you're lucky you didn't end up in some serious trouble. If you don't have the self-awareness, I'd suggest you don't jump in the deep end. No pun intended... sincerely.
I hope this thread carries on and gains some weight - with the hope that it's referenced elsewhere on the net. But the last anecdote is just fuel for the fire.
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This is also a good example of why it's important for street photographers, more than anyone else, to move with the spirit of the times. You simply cannot practise the comparatively naive working methods of a bygone era in such a politically and ethically conscious environment.
Her T shirt says Bench.I've had that countless times while doing street photography. I think its nice to know I'm at least getting some kind of reaction to my work
This View attachment 71218 delightful creature screamed at me for taking her photo and calling me a perve. Cause obviously I get my jollies by looking at women drinking coffee
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Iluvmycam - Individuals with medical and/or behavioral conditions which cause low body weight have life threatening conditions. The woman you wished to photograph, could be suffering from many afflictions (eg Chron's, cancer, diabetes, TB, HIV, psychological, and many other life threatening conditions).
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If you had done this while I was there and my kids were in the water, we would have had an issue.
A serious issue.
As well as the "anorexic lady". I would not be supprised at all if he ended up with his camera stuck to the side of his head. How insensitive!
I'm sorry, but you're only digging yourself into a hole and it's starting to become intellectually offensive as well as morally.
Within the realm of what turns a 'snapshot' (?) into a 'photograph' (?) is intent and an understanding of cultural signifiers. Mood has to do with the context of your subject - like if the anorexic ghoul lady was in a haunted house :alien:. A moody or pensive person is something else. But how does the illness anorexia translate into mood exactly?
What you're describing with extremes isn't 'mood' (provoked through atmosphere) but shock value (provoked through morbid fixation on somebody's physical condition, for its own sake, with no consideration of the connotations and meaning photographs carry).
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I am not familiar as to whether or not a grown man testing an underwater video cam by himself in a pool full of children is legal or not. I guess it would depend on whether the pool was considered private property.
Would you be comfortable with me taking an image of you and posting it on the web or in your neighborhood saying "This man takes underwater videos by himself in a pool full of children"?
I'm not sure that we all share the same interest or respect for street photography. That is more likely the reason for the disparate opinions.
p.s. It's not so much an attitude of "I can't shoot...", but more of "I won't shoot..." based on respect for the subjects and the low probability of getting a really decent/noteworthy image.
Many people would argue there's a fine line between being a street photographer and being a weirdo, and you've provided a case worth debating:
If you're seeking out loaded and sensitive subject matter, the crunch between these definitions might be; do your images return back into the public sphere, or are they just for your own personal fetishistic pleasure? If you're drawn to subject matter with such potency, to what end? I can tell you think of your street photography as an obligation and if that is the case, in a real sense (as opposed to a delusion), who besides yourself do your pictures serve? What is your message? In the case of anorexics and homeless people, photography comes with a responsibility of intent.
You need to look at some work that deals with similar subject matter. I think you'll find there's more behind it than a pointed illustration of the grotesque.
Oh, and I'm hoping you don't tell your parents "I'm going out shooting tramps".
Some would say, "As a photographer you shoot whatever makes a good photograph... Period!"
With the recent proliferation of image-capturing devices, that "photographer" thingy has come to mean "a person with an image-capturing device..." My late father, having thoroughly documented my early life--and more--in photographs, arguably better as a body of work than 96.37% of flickr streams, never once called himself a photographer...
Do what you must. Accept the consequences.
Peace!
I want to step in and add perspective.
On another occasion one of my photos of an actual anorexic girl, came under scrutiny because of the title and pointing out that she was in fact anorexic.
I also find any non-traditional type to be interesting in some way, whether its a psychological interest in their behavior and why they chose this life, or whatever the case may be.
No one picked on the guy who posted the lady drinking with "bench" on her shirt, she is the other side of anorexic but still extreme in that she appears slovenly. You can't pick on someone shooting an anorexic and not pick on someone shooting large people if the reasoning is the same and the large person may also be suffering from some mental issue or state of life or health issue causing weight. No one knows why but they are in some way interesting to the photographer and that's why they shot them.
So I don't feel that we should pick on him for the anorexic thing, if you're out in the world and choose to live in some way outside of the standard boundaries of living, then you're bound to attract attention whether its your fault or not. Pregnant women, bikers, people with extreme tattoos or piercings, people with two heads(sideshow type people) have all had their photograph taken because they were outside of the standard body, that's why we shoot, to capture the interesting and often the non-mundane. So remember that....
As far as the kids thing, well I think there's a time and place. I also think you should consider how your action affect other photographers. If you're constantly appearing to be a creep, it only adds more chance there will be a new law or rule put in place to prevent other photographers from shooting, therefore limiting others, not just yourself.
Be aware of your environment, not every image NEEDS to be had.
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On another occasion one of my photos of an actual anorexic girl, came under scrutiny because of the title and pointing out that she was in fact anorexic.
I also find any non-traditional type to be interesting in some way, whether its a psychological interest in their behavior and why they chose this life, or whatever the case may be.
No one picked on the guy who posted the lady drinking with "bench" on her shirt, she is the other side of anorexic but still extreme in that she appears slovenly. You can't pick on someone shooting an anorexic and not pick on someone shooting large people if the reasoning is the same and the large person may also be suffering from some mental issue or state of life or health issue causing weight. No one knows why but they are in some way interesting to the photographer and that's why they shot them.
So I don't feel that we should pick on him for the anorexic thing, if you're out in the world and choose to live in some way outside of the standard boundaries of living, then you're bound to attract attention whether its your fault or not. Pregnant women, bikers, people with extreme tattoos or piercings, people with two heads(sideshow type people) have all had their photograph taken because they were outside of the standard body, that's why we shoot, to capture the interesting and often the non-mundane. So remember that....
As far as the kids thing, well I think there's a time and place. I also think you should consider how your action affect other photographers. If you're constantly appearing to be a creep, it only adds more chance there will be a new law or rule put in place to prevent other photographers from shooting, therefore limiting others, not just yourself.
Be aware of your environment, not every image NEEDS to be had.
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After reading through the many post in this thread, maybe we should change that to 'there's a fine line between being a street photographer and being a voyeur".
And subtitle it "And that line is up to each individual street photographer to seek out for themselves..."
Ken
Ken
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