Ilford Price Increase June 1st 2011

[Chris Livsey]

they don't all turn up at the office in Ferraries or Bentleys!
Matt

So some do ?

 

[Marco B]

So some do ?

Hey, that was just me , picking up a batch of the new Ilford Multigrade Art 300... Got to keep the 500 horsepowers in condition by an occasional full throttle ride

 

[Willie Jan]

last week we were investigating ilford range of products and prices.
We fell out of our chair when we saw the prices. Compaired to adox, i can not imagine that the ilford product is 200% better than adox.

If you know how much silver there actually is in a box of paper, it's strange that the prices go up that much.

 

[ShaneLee]

Irreplaceable in the 'silver' gelatin process, it's unavoidable. Harman can't keep eating the increased cost of raw material. The economics of it is unfortunate, but all of us will have to learn how to deal with it.
I am currently re-printing a ton of old negatives, and some of them on Ilford Warmtone paper. It's hard to justify the expense for me. Very very hard. Every time I order more 11x14 fiber paper, and pay 3 dollars per sheet, I look in the mirror and think I must be insane. And I only order one box at a time. It's all that I can afford. A box lasts me a couple of months, so I'm spending a thousand dollars a year on Ilford paper. This is petty cash compared to many other silver printers. I doubt someone like Bob Carnie spends less than that in one day of printing silver gelatin.

I'm not asking Mr Galley of Harman to defend their pricing; I understand why it is as it is. All I'm saying is that I don't know how long I can keep it up. There will be a time, shortly, where I can't afford this passion anymore, and that saddens me to no end. I'm sure there are others in my situation.

- Thomas

1000! Bloody hell.

I'm only just starting with printing and film. I've been shooting film since November, the price rise is a bit a of a pain. Especially since I just paid £7 for one roll of delta 3200.

 

[viridari]

Time to offshore labor to a cheaper country like the USA?

 

[pentaxuser]

last week we were investigating ilford range of products and prices.
We fell out of our chair when we saw the prices. Compaired to adox, i can not imagine that the ilford product is 200% better than adox.

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The strange thing is that in the U.K. at two very competitive retailers Adox paper is more expensive than Ilford and over the recent period Adox paper has actually grown proportionally more expensive. In the kind of quantities that Adox and Ilford export to the rest of Europe in Ilford's case and into the U.K. in Adox's case I cannot believe that transport costs make that much difference.

So does both Ilford and Adox believe that "foreign" customers will pay more for a product than will domestic buyers? Is it the retailers/distributors who have a role in the matter rather than Ilford or Adox? I have no idea.

There has to be a reason for this kind of "price reversal" but what this reason is, will I am sorry to say, remain unanswered. We can speculate here on APUG to our heart's content but speculation is what it will remain.

I can only conclude that those who could answer questions such as this, do not believe it is in their interest to do so.

pentaxuser

 

[Nige]

just did a quick price check of Ilford stuff here (converted to US$ would be slightly dearer at the moment... I can't be stuffed looking it up)

35mm
FP4 24exp $8.80
HP5 24exp $8.80
D3200 36exp $14.85

120
FP4 $9.90
HP5 $9.90
D3200 $12.10

Papers (8x10 100shts)
MG RC $133
MG FB $177
MG FB WT $230

There are cheaper alternatives (eg. foma paper)

 

[Matt5791]

Something else we all need to remeber when making comparisons around the globe with UK prices - you need to take off the VAT to obtain the true price. VAT is charged at 20% on the NETT price. (ie. £nett x 20%)

To remove the VAT the calculation is easy (note: you cant just subtract 20% from the total inclusive price, you'll get the wrong answer) - divide any VAT inclusive price by 1.2 = eg, our current price for 1 roll FP4 120 is £3.48 = £2.90 excluding VAT, the actual price we are selling the item for.

 

[georg16nik]

In Europe VAT that is charged by a business and paid by its customers is non recoverable, so for the average customer 1 roll FP4 120 is £3.48 not £2.90.

Only a business is generally able to recover input VAT to the extent that the input VAT is attributable to its taxable outputs. Input VAT is recovered by setting it against the output VAT for which the business is required to account to the government, or, if there is an excess, by claiming a repayment from the government.

 

[ath]

Something else we all need to remeber when making comparisons around the globe with UK prices - you need to take off the VAT to obtain the true price. VAT is charged at 20% on the NETT price. (ie. £nett x 20%)

Well, as far as price comparison in web shops is concerned - in Germany shops selling goods to end customers have to state the price including VAT (19% currently).

 

[georg16nik]

Yep, and no to mention The Nordic countries where VAT can go as high as 25%...
The thing is, in US, to the end customer 1 roll FP4 120 cost ~ the EU price but without VAT.
While US branded goods cost in EU much more than they do domestically..
I guess smaller countries are doomed forever to pay higher prices.

 

[railwayman3]

In Europe VAT that is charged by a business and paid by its customers is non recoverable, so for the average customer 1 roll FP4 120 is £3.48 not £2.90.

Only a business is generally able to recover input VAT to the extent that the input VAT is attributable to its taxable outputs. Input VAT is recovered by setting it against the output VAT for which the business is required to account to the government, or, if there is an excess, by claiming a repayment from the government.

That is all correct. For the ordinary amateur retail customer, the price which matters is the price actually paid, including whatever taxes, etc., are applicable.

Goods imported to the UK from non-EEC countries are also chargeable to UK duty plus VAT by HM Revenue & Customs, (except for very low-value packets), so this has to be taken into account if buying film in any quantity from overseas.

 

[hpulley]

I don't know about the price being the same. When I log into Maco direct as a registered foreigner I get 0% VAT prices and yet Ilford FP4+ 120 is still 3,35EUR (32,69EUR in 10 roll quantity) while at B&H it is $4.25, still a 12% savings though if you purchase locally in NY you will have to pay NY sales tax I presume. Until recently FP4+ was $3.69 at B&H but the June 1st increase took it up (I'm not sure they raised it in January).

 

[ath]

When I log into Maco direct as a registered foreigner I get 0% VAT prices and yet Ilford FP4+ 120 is still 3,35EUR [...]

Yup, as a German I see 3,99 €/single roll.

 

[foc]

Just remember where you are making the order from and where the order is being processed. If you are in the EU (European Union) you will pay Vat at the local rate (local where the purchase was made). If you a business and have a vat number you can have the inter EU purchase made excluding the local Vat rate. If you are outside the EU the you will have the purchase Vat exampt (as far as I know).

Unfortunatly not all business on the web in the EU offer the business Vat exempt. I have a photo business in Ireland (part of the EU and the Euro) and I have only found very few on line businesses that will deal vat exampt even when I produce my Vat number. Some businesses don't even know about Vat exemption and how it works. I understand most on line businesses are retail not b2b but there is business there for b2b if they are interested. (b2b means business to business just incase ....................)