ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology need ULF feedback

[Robert Hall]

Anyone care to post work from 3200? Any alt process work? (not baiting, just curious!)

 

[David A. Goldfarb]

Just to keep things in perspective, Delta 3200 is arguably an 800-1000 speed film, so it would be like having a better version of Royal-X Pan, I suppose. I'd certainly try it.

 

[JBrunner]

I would certainly try Delta 3200 in 8x10. Puny little negs, I know... but if you are considering it for ULF, could some tiny little 8x10's be a byproduct?

 

[cdholden]

I would certainly try Delta 3200 in 8x10. Puny little negs, I know... but if you are considering it for ULF, could some tiny little 8x10's be a byproduct?

I second (or third or whatever we're at, plus one) that comment. I'd buy a few hundred sheets of 3200 in 8x10 for the freezer. I'd like to see it in 4x5 also since it's just a matter of cutting it down, and in even proportion so there's no waste!
Thanks Simon!

Chris
p.s. I know the call is a sounding board for 3200, but I also join the ranks of those who would like to see something in a 25.

 

[Sal Santamaura]

I am assuming Sandy that you have already evaluated this film and find its properties suitable for alt processes and Azo?

I don't know about alt processes but, for Azo, have a look at Delta 3200's curves here:

http://www.ilfordphoto.com/Webfiles/200613019405339.pdf

They don't seem very compatible to me. Perhaps different developers might straighten them out a bit?

Also, as someone who can see the grain in a 320 TXP contact print on grade 3 Azo (and uses FP4 Plus instead), I'm not sure Delta 3200 wouldn't be worse, especially if one developed it longer to overcome those rolled-off highlights.

 

[Dave Wooten]

I guess some soul could step up to the plate and print some Delta 3200 120 negs in various processes and post the findings

 

[Michael Kadillak]

I guess some soul could step up to the plate and print some Delta 3200 120 negs in various processes and post the findings

You read my mind David. I was thinking about doing the same thing. Problem is I would have to order some. Maybe someone familiar with this emulsion could chime in.

Cheers!

 

[sanking]

Count me in as well. Such a magnificent film speed for ULF is mind boggling and would mean that there would be situations in low light or with some wind that would not be anywhere near off limits. The concept is making me smile very wide.....

I am assuming Sandy that you have already evaluated this film and find its properties suitable for alt processes and Azo?

Cheers!

Michael,

I have never actually used this film but I did look at its characteristics and curves on the Ilford data sheets. The shape of the characteristic curve as depicted with Ilfotect DD-X and Microphen, which shows a hump in the mid-tones and shouldering in the highlights, would be great for some alt processes (straight-line ones) but not so good for processes with shouldering highlights. However, I would assume that it would be possible to find developers and dilutions to alter the curve to make it more compatible with individual processes.

Sandy

 

[sanking]

Count me in as well. Such a magnificent film speed for ULF is mind boggling and would mean that there would be situations in low light or with some wind that would not be anywhere near off limits. The concept is making me smile very wide.....

I am assuming Sandy that you have already evaluated this film and find its properties suitable for alt processes and Azo?

Cheers!

Michael,

I have never actually used this film but I did look at its characteristics and curves on the Ilford data sheets. The shape of the characteristic curve as depicted with Ilfotect DD-X and Microphen, which shows a hump in the mid-tones and shouldering in the highlights, would be great for some alt processes (straight-line ones) but not so good for processes with shouldering highlights. However, I would assume that it would be possible to find developers and dilutions to alter the curve to make it more compatible with individual processes.

Sandy

 

[Ryuji]

However, I would assume that it would be possible to find developers and dilutions to alter the curve to make it more compatible with individual processes.

If you do ULF and there is no worry of grain, it may be. I'd try something like diluted Dektol.

Among reasonably fine grained developers, Delta 3200 (as well as 400) tends to show shoulder in pretty much all I tried (and remember now). It's not like T-MAX 400 or Fuji Acros.

If grain is not a problem, I rather think D3200 may make a beautiful portrait film.

 

[Tri Tran]

I like the idea but ny concern is how can we fly with 3200 iso? Is there anyway to avoid the airport scan?

 

[Petzi]

Ask for manual check. The only time this has ever been refused to me despite my insistence was in Budapest.

 

[eubielicious]

Hi Simon, I certainly would go for Delta 3200 in 4x5 - I have used it and had good results with 120 roll film...

Euan

 

[Rob Skeoch]

I would rather try Delta 400 in large sheets.

 

[Michael Kadillak]

While a Delta 3200 may appear on the surface to be a good idea in LF or ULF sizes, a conversation with a knowledgeable photographer reminded me that of the fact that as the ASA of conventional films go beyond about 400, so goes the esthetic qualities with tonal separation that we all so enjoy with LF and ULF cameras. These films serve their unique application of photojournalism or photography under extreme low light conditions but I am fearful that they would be a disaster under "normal" full scale lighting conditions.

If someone has experience to refute this premise, by all means please set me straight.

Cheers!

 

[HenryA]

I don't think D3200 would be a problem in "normal" situations. I've shot a good bit in 120 and it gives nice soft portraits. Its really pretty in window light with lovely gradation and tones. (isn't almost any film when properly handled?)

As for speed, its 1200-1600 for normal development and easy printing. Rated higher is a push and it gets ugly and contrasty like anything else when pushed. More people will have only seen results from this film at 3200 or 6400 or higher as for most the only reason to use 3200 is to gain speed.

 

[danschmidt]

I would use it. Sounds great for portrait, interiors, and low light...

I'm a bit worried that my darkroom is not as dark as it should be for 3200 speed film. I have never had a problem with loading and developing up to 400 speed (no fogging), but some light seems to be getting into the dark room. Or maybye I just think I am starting to see things.

 

[bherg]

I would like delta 100 and 400 .. and the delta 25 if that is going to be made in ULF sizes.


Cheers Johannes

 

[Tom Kershaw]

I'm going to be doing 8x10 next year all being well, and Delta 400 would be great since that is what I use now in 120.

 

[markbb]

There is a 6400 iso speed B&W film available in 10x8" sheets - check here for a little test I did: http://www.f32.net/discus/messages/7/8992.html. Note this film (Rollei R3) uses it's own 'high-speed' developer to achieve these speeds - so I have no idea whether it is more, or less, affected by airport scanners.

Speaking personally, I'd rather have some Delta 400.

 

[Roger Hicks]

There is a 6400 iso speed B&W film available in 10x8" sheets.

Not what you might call ISO -- more EI. Maco is a bit cavalier about the distinction.

Cheers,

R

 

[George Losse]

I think it would be a nice addition to the current supply of ULF film. I'd support it in 8x20.

 

[garysamson]

I would not be at all interested in a 3200 speed ULF film. I use a 12x20 camera and I do not believe the image quality from this film would be sufficient to justify the use of this film. Please keep HP5+ and FP4+ available in ULF sizes!

 

[Curt]

Why is high speed film being pushed so hard? Did the high speed fairy get into the emulsion mix? Think slower speed, high quality, multi format, more practical film. Or is there a race to the high speed point that just can't be missed? It will not go through the airport scanners so what's the point?

I could use the PanF 50 in sheet size, anyone else?

 

[ChuckP]

I like the idea of large format delta 3200. I'm always in some low light slight breeze condition and want all the speed I can get. I've used the film in 120 with some older cameras and find that it works great. It does have somewhat lower contrast (at least how I process it) but that may be very useful for high contrast conditions. Maybe you could produce it on a limited basis say once annually.