ILFORD Photo 2014 ULF and Custom Film Manufacture Launched

[Simon R Galley]

Dear All,

Please find the press release link

http://goo.gl/OlOQ9a

And Item List and Re-seller Partners at

http://goo.gl/9JZ6n2

We are also pleased to confirm that the supply prices remain unchanged from the 2013 run.


We thank all of you who use and value ILFORD products and purchase ULF, and of course our ULF Re-seller partners around the world who help make it all happen.

Simon : ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited :

 

[Simon R Galley]

Try again

http://goo.gl/OlOQ9a

 

[Simon R Galley]

and finally !

http://goo.gl/OIOQ9a

Many apologies

Analog Simon : ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited :

 

[Hatchetman]

What does "slittings" mean in this context: Slittings related to older formats such as 127 film will allow end users to be able to use vintage and classic cameras of those formats

I have been experimenting with ways to make 828 film. Unperforated 135 would be ideal, but 70mm could theoretically be divided in two.

 

[Simon R Galley]

Dear Hatchetman,

Sorry, we are guilty of using a term used in our trade....not a term an 'end user' would be familiar with the term 'slitting(s)' is a word we use for a length of film of any width or length cut from a parent roll eg : so when we cut 35mm ( miniature film as we call it ) from a parent roll we get about 30 'slittings' of 35mm width, cut to 610m in length.

Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited

 

[Hatchetman]

Got it. Thanks.

 

[Oren Grad]

Many thanks to the Harman directors for sustaining this program!

 

[Petzvalsum]

Ilford 220 film?

Agreed, this is a truly wonderful service, and makes the world a better place.

Another member pointed me to an earlier posting where Simon noted that Ilford won't offer 220 film. Therefore, I have editted this posting.

Here is a suggestion:

Offering one or two emulsions/yr. would satisfy me.

- offer a true 220 DIY kit, with only the precut film pieces (and some web-based guidelines), as the necessary 61.5mm wide paper is on offer from Ilford.

My preferences for film: Delta 100 and Delta 3200. I would participate each year, no matter which emulsion(s) is(are) on offer.

Thanks for considering my request.

Larry Manuel
Kingston, Ontario.

 

[Sal Santamaura]

...After reading the Ilford annual special-order web page this year and for several years, I haven't noticed Ilford 220 film availability. Is there such a thing?..

The answer is "no, and there won't be." Here's what was probably Simon's first response to the request:

(there was a url link here which no longer exists)​

Nothing has changed since then. He exhibits extraordinary patience, answering this question every time it comes up. I figured I'd save him the trouble of doing it again when he logs on tomorrow morning.

 

[Xmas]

Agreed, this is a truly wonderful service, and makes the world a better place.

Another member pointed me to an earlier posting where Simon noted that Ilford won't offer 220 film. Therefore, I have editted this posting.

Here is a suggestion:

Offering one or two emulsions/yr. would satisfy me.

- offer a true 220 DIY kit, with only the precut film pieces (and some web-based guidelines), as the necessary 61.5mm wide paper is on offer from Ilford.

My preferences for film: Delta 100 and Delta 3200. I would participate each year, no matter which emulsion(s) is(are) on offer.

Thanks for considering my request.

Larry Manuel
Kingston, Ontario.

Hi Larry

No that would bad all you need is a roll of 120 film 50m long from Ilford in black plastic bag in card board box.

Use scissors from den to cut up used 120 backing paper from 220 as template and good quality pressure sensitive tape, sharpie and some tasty gummed lick the paper.

So all we need to know is how many 50m rolls you want this year? Options are either HP5+ or Delta400.

Pick one and we will jump in after you.

Noel

 

[Simon R Galley]

Thanks Sal,

Dear Larry,

I appreciate that 220 is a big loss to a great many photographers, if we were to put on a web based DIY instruction that would intimate that on a format where 120 finished film actually exists we also believed that making 220 was 'viable' ......we do not, we believe in technical and QC excellence for our film products, no matter how skillful and resourceful people like apuggers are we believe the film product itself would be compromised.

Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited.

 

[Xmas]

Agreed, this is a truly wonderful service, and makes the world a better place.

Another member pointed me to an earlier posting where Simon noted that Ilford won't offer 220 film. Therefore, I have editted this posting.

Here is a suggestion:

Offering one or two emulsions/yr. would satisfy me.

- offer a true 220 DIY kit, with only the precut film pieces (and some web-based guidelines), as the necessary 61.5mm wide paper is on offer from Ilford.

My preferences for film: Delta 100 and Delta 3200. I would participate each year, no matter which emulsion(s) is(are) on offer.

Thanks for considering my request.

Larry Manuel
Kingston, Ontario.

Hi Larry

No that would bad all you need is a roll of 120 film 50m long from Ilford in black plastic bag in card board box.

Use scissors from den to cut up used 120 backing paper from 220 as template and good quality pressure sensitive tape, sharpie and some tasty gummed lick the paper.

So all we need to know is how many 50m rolls you want this year? Options are either HP5+ or Delta400.

Pick one and we will jump in after you.

Lemming...

 

[K-G]

A few years ago I sent out a question about making your own 220-size rolls. Mirko at Fotoimpex answered and said that supplying bulk rolls would not be a major problem, but 220 film needs a special back side coating in order to prevent scratches from the pressure plate as the film is not protected by the paper backing.

Karl-Gustaf

 

[Xmas]

A few years ago I sent out a question about making your own 220-size rolls. Mirko at Fotoimpex answered and said that supplying bulk rolls would not be a major problem, but 220 film needs a special back side coating in order to prevent scratches from the pressure plate as the film is not protected by the paper backing.

Karl-Gustaf

HiKarl

ok that kills it then and I have only 50 Trix 220 left.
Waaaaaaah

Noel

 

[K-G]

HiKarl

ok that kills it then and I have only 50 Trix 220 left.
Waaaaaaah

Noel

Take good care of them. I developed my last roll about a year ago, but I am starting to be comfortable with the Ilford range of 120 films.

Karl-Gustaf

 

[TheToadMen]

A few years ago I sent out a question about making your own 220-size rolls. Mirko at Fotoimpex answered and said that supplying bulk rolls would not be a major problem, but 220 film needs a special back side coating in order to prevent scratches from the pressure plate as the film is not protected by the paper backing.
Karl-Gustaf

Hi Karl,
Do you mean that the backing paper of these 220 rolls is shorter than the film itself? Otherwise I don't understand how it could be scratched. But at the end of the roll (winded up to the take up spool) the film is still covered with backing paper? I assumed the backing paper of 220 might be thinner, but twice as long as the backing paper of a 120 roll film.
Isn't a 220 roll film basically the same concept as a 120 roll film, except for its length?
And couldn't I just "tape" two 120 roll film together into one 220 roll film myself - if I had the right backing paper? In the old days we used special tape to make a big wheel with several short 8 mm films (home movies), to be used in a projector. I could use the (same kind of) tape.
Would be a nice experiment.

I have several 220 roll films left (out of date: 2005):
- 20 x Fuji NPC 160 (= negative color film)
- 30 x Fuji Provia 100F (= RDPIII slide film)
- maybe an other single loose roll hiding somewhere in the fridge.

I don't know to keep, to shoot or to sell these films.
If and when I shoot these films, I will have it developed at a local professional lab, so I can ask them to save the backing paper for me.

I recently bought me a Hasselblad SWC camera with one 120 film back. I just got me a second film back for 220 film. Maybe not a smart move, but it wasn't too expensive (normal backs are) and I'm gonna try to use it with 120 roll film as well.
Bert from Holland

 

[Xmas]

220 backing paper is different from 120.

120 has backing all the way.

220 has only backing for leader and trailer the backing is butt jointed with film.

That us why 220 has 2x the number of frames and why you need a different pressure plate.

 

[TheToadMen]

220 backing paper is different from 120.
120 has backing all the way.
220 has only backing for leader and trailer the backing is butt jointed with film.
That us why 220 has 2x the number of frames and why you need a different pressure plate.

Thank you, I didn't know that. Makes sense though.
Lesson learned today: don't use 220 film in old type cameras, where you have to look through a red window during winding to set up the next frame of the film

 

[K-G]

I recently bought me a Hasselblad SWC camera with one 120 film back. I just got me a second film back for 220 film. Maybe not a smart move, but it wasn't too expensive (normal backs are) and I'm gonna try to use it with 120 roll film as well.
Bert from Holland

Using 120 film in a dedicated 220 film back will probably cause problems with the spacing between picture frames as the 220 back has a frame counter set for 24 frames on a full roll.

Karl-Gustaf

 

[TheToadMen]

Using 120 film in a dedicated 220 film back will probably cause problems with the spacing between picture frames as the 220 back has a frame counter set for 24 frames on a full roll.
Karl-Gustaf

Hello Karl-Gustaf,
I suppose this means that the spacing will be smaller on 120 film in 1 220 back?
Bert

 

[K-G]

Hello Karl-Gustaf,
I suppose this means that the spacing will be smaller on 120 film in 1 220 back?
Bert

I made a test and I must admit that I was probably wrong before. I loaded my 220 back with an outdated 120 film and checked how the film was transported. When the magazine was set for the first exposure, I pulled out the darkslide and there was film in the frame opening. After 12 exposures, I pulled out the film insert and there was about 1/2 inch of film left to go after the opening. I think it is definitely worth a try to use your 220 back with 120 film as long as you remember to stop after frame nr. 12 . Good luck.

Karl-Gustaf

 

[TheToadMen]

I made a test and I must admit that I was probably wrong before. I loaded my 220 back with an outdated 120 film and checked how the film was transported. When the magazine was set for the first exposure, I pulled out the darkslide and there was film in the frame opening. After 12 exposures, I pulled out the film insert and there was about 1/2 inch of film left to go after the opening. I think it is definitely worth a try to use your 220 back with 120 film as long as you remember to stop after frame nr. 12 . Good luck.
Karl-Gustaf

In was hoping for that. Thank you for testing it for me. I'll load an old 120 film in my 220 back shortly, when I finished the recent film.

 

[Petzvalsum]

61.5mm x 50m rolls of film?

Noel wrote:

"...all you need is a roll of 120 film 50m long from Ilford in black plastic bag in card board box."

At the risk of appearing to be APUG's Rip van Winkle (completely out of touch for 20 years), does such a product exist? Noel noted that HP5+ or Delta 400 are the choices. I have not seen such a product noted on Ilford's site.

Note to Simon: I appreciate your forbearance in replying calmly to my possibly cockamamie request(s).

I'm guessing that a roll of 61.5mm x 50 m. film stock would cost ~US$200, as the area is approx. 3x that of a 35mm x 30.5m bulk roll.

Theres much good 120/220 info here: http://camerapedia.wikia.com/wiki/120_film

That page states 220 film length is 1.44m. That means 34 films from a 50m. bulk piece of 61mm wide film stock.

Concluding on an ever-so-slightly practical note: I'm ready to concede that the 220 horse has left the barn (too late to lock the barn doors), and swapping out 120 films twice as often will be infinitely more efficient in the grand scheme of things than DIY fabricating 220 films. That's not to say I'm at all against the Don Quixote-esque spirit of (bizarre) DIY projects. My life is full of same.

 

[K-G]

In was hoping for that. Thank you for testing it for me. I'll load an old 120 film in my 220 back shortly, when I finished the recent film.

I dug out my old The Hasselblad Manual by Ernst Wildi , and there he writes (quote) 120 roll film can be used in an A24 magazine. The spacing , however , becomes somewhat wide towards the end of the roll but all 12 images still go on the film. The first image is very close to the paper leader. To place it a litle further away, move the black line with arrows about 5 mm past the red index. (end qoute).

Karl-Gustaf

 

[TheToadMen]

I dug out my old The Hasselblad Manual by Ernst Wildi , and there he writes (quote) 120 roll film can be used in an A24 magazine. The spacing , however , becomes somewhat wide towards the end of the roll but all 12 images still go on the film. The first image is very close to the paper leader. To place it a litle further away, move the black line with arrows about 5 mm past the red index. (end qoute).

Karl-Gustaf

Thank you very much for all the help!!
Bert