Ilford Pan F and Rodinal 1+100

[david b]

Could not seem to find it but I am looking for start times for Ilford Pan F+ (at 50) in Rodinal 1+100.

Can someone give me a starting point?

 

[Kobin]

http://unblinkingeye.com/Articles/Developers/Times_Rodinal/times_rodinal.html

K.

 

[jim appleyard]

http://www.digitaltruth.com/devchart.html

http://unblinkingeye.com/Articles/Times/PanF/panf.html

Try test rolls as you may find times for this combo have quite a range!

 

[david b]

MDC does not show 1+100 at 50 iso.

 

[Anscojohn]

David,

My notes from 1967 indicate EI 50, Rodinal 1:100, 68 F 15 minutes. Agitate continuously for first 30 seconds, then 5 secs at each 30 seconds.

 

[Poohblah]

1967 would have been Pan F, not Pan F+...

 

[Anscojohn]

1967 would have been Pan F, not Pan F+...

******
Ah, yes. One of the "improvements" everyone loves these days. I bet that time would be close enough to begin testing Pan F plus, though.

Forgot to mention: I used "stand development" --- I would stand around in the darkroom and agitate the film whilst it was developing! (vbg)

 

[bill spears]

I'm a big fan of Pan F+ but on the few occaisions I've used it in Rodinal I always had problems with high contrast. Can't recall the dilutions or times though.
I LOVE this film at 12-25 iso in perceptol 1+2. Fantastic sharpness, tones and no grain in med format, although maybe your reasons for using Rodinal is wanting some grain ?

Bill

 

[Thomas Bertilsson]

But the link to Ed Buffaloe's 'Unblinkingeye' web site above does. I've used his times as starting times on numerous occasions, and it's always worked quite well.

- Thomas

MDC does not show 1+100 at 50 iso.

 

[df cardwell]

Rodinal & Pan F, EI 50.

You might try 1+100 for 20' with agitation 10 seconds every minute. Agitation is critical.
Every thirty seconds is too hot for most use.

Dilution 1+50 for 11-12 minutes, with agitation every minute, will duplicate the 1+100 results.

MY preference is 1+50 for 18' with agitation every 5th minute.
Depending on your preference, you might extend the development times up to 20 minutes. By reducing the agitation, you get full shadows, normal highlights, some pleasant acutance effects, and very fine, regular grain.

.

 

[donbga]

1967 would have been Pan F, not Pan F+...

Well the thread title does read Pan F not Pan F+ though the OP did write Pan F+ in the body of the post.

 

[Erwin Plau]

I'm a big fan of Pan F+ but on the few occaisions I've used it in Rodinal I always had problems with high contrast. Can't recall the dilutions or times though.
I LOVE this film at 12-25 iso in perceptol 1+2. Fantastic sharpness, tones and no grain in med format, although maybe your reasons for using Rodinal is wanting some grain ?

Bill

If he wants grain, Pan F is the wrong film. If he wants no grain, Rodinal is the wrong developer.

 

[coriana6jp]

I have had the same problems as Bill. Everytime I have tried to use Rodinal with Pan F, the results have never been satisfactory to me. Though, Rodinal works well with every other film I use, but this one.

I like dilute Perceptol at either 1:3 or 1:2, tames the contrast and the results are beautiful.

Gary

 

[jim appleyard]

If your contrast is too high it's, 1) you're devving too long. 2) You're agitating too much. 3) Your dev temp is too high 4) all of the above!

Rodinal is no different than any other dev is this regard. You can get the same constrast problems with Perceptol, D-76, etc. Just work at it a little!

 

[df cardwell]

"Just work at it a little!"

Yep.

Think of Rodinal as being a very POWERFUL but SLOW developer.
Use a light hand.

 

[Dante Stella]

Promise? I guess the good thing is that my Pan F+ has been sitting so long that I don't remember if anything critical is even on it. Guess not!

Rodinal & Pan F, EI 50.

You might try 1+100 for 20' with agitation 10 seconds every minute. Agitation is critical.
Every thirty seconds is too hot for most use.

Dilution 1+50 for 11-12 minutes, with agitation every minute, will duplicate the 1+100 results.

MY preference is 1+50 for 18' with agitation every 5th minute.
Depending on your preference, you might extend the development times up to 20 minutes. By reducing the agitation, you get full shadows, normal highlights, some pleasant acutance effects, and very fine, regular grain.

.

 

[Colin Corneau]

I always have trouble with muddy images. Maybe it's just my eye, maybe it's my inexperience...but I like snappy images.

Pan-F+ is a 'snappy' film, for sure. One reason I like it! Rodinal seems to work well for me with this film - 1:50 for 11 min., agitation 10sec/min.

 

[Edwardv]

According to my Agfa handbook the development time for Pan F+ at y=65 in small tanks are:


1:25 6 minutes

1:50 12 minutes

Can't help you out with the 1:100.

I can say, "that Pan F+ developed in Rodinal 1:50 gives nice skin tones quality like Agfa APX 100."

 

[Edwardv]

Checked my other Agfa Handbook and it says Pan F+:

1:25 5 minutes

1:50 11 minutes

*1:50 rated at 64 12 minutes.

I guess picking any development time is a good choice to start with.

 

[kq6up]

Rodinal & Pan F, EI 50.

You might try 1+100 for 20' with agitation 10 seconds every minute. Agitation is critical.
Every thirty seconds is too hot for most use.

Dilution 1+50 for 11-12 minutes, with agitation every minute, will duplicate the 1+100 results.

MY preference is 1+50 for 18' with agitation every 5th minute.
Depending on your preference, you might extend the development times up to 20 minutes. By reducing the agitation, you get full shadows, normal highlights, some pleasant acutance effects, and very fine, regular grain.

.

Thanks, another person had also sent me your recommendation for your 18 minute agitation scheme as a private message. I will process my next roll this way. What EI do you use for this, box speed?

Thanks,
Chris

 

[MaximusM3]

Thanks, another person had also sent me your recommendation for your 18 minute agitation scheme as a private message. I will process my next roll this way. What EI do you use for this, box speed?

Thanks,
Chris

Chris,

Sadly, I don't think Mr Cardwell shares his deep (and sorely missed) knowledge here on Apug any longer. I could be wrong, but I think most of his posts are older.
Looks like he's referring to EI50 at the beginning of his post and, having used his advice, it does certainly work well. The longer times and reduced agitation suggested by Mr Cardwell always seem to get me the results I look for with Rodinal. You could also try stand development for one hour @ 1:100 @ EI50 for beautiful tones. In regards to that, I remember Mr. Cardwell saying that agitation is cumulative and it doesn't really matter when you do it. When it comes to stand development though, the most common complaints are uneven development, bromide streaks, etc. Normally, one would agitate at the beginning for 30 seconds or 5 seconds over the first five minutes with the remainder of the time standing. Most problems are safely eliminated by agitating for 5 seconds (one slow roll of the tank on its side) every 10 minutes, as suggested by Mr. Cardwell. Same 30 seconds but spread out evenly = no issues.

Good luck,

Max

 

[kq6up]

Thanks Massimo. Great clarification. Your information is indeed a good embellishment on what I have learned about Rodinal and Pan F so far.

Chris

 

[Gerald C Koch]

From my own experience, Pan F and Rodinal is not a very good combination. Pan F tands to be very contrasty. You really need a softworking developer such as D-23 diluted 1:1.

 

[mablo]

I tried the above mentioned Rodinal 1:100, 18mins, inserts every 5mins recipe today with a roll of PanF+ that I had in my Nikon FM. I shot it at ASA50.

Still much too contrasty in my opinion.

 

[Thomas Bertilsson]

I tried the above mentioned Rodinal 1:100, 18mins, inserts every 5mins recipe today with a roll of PanF+ that I had in my Nikon FM. I shot it at ASA50.

Still much too contrasty in my opinion.

So develop for 15m and see what happens!

You control contrast. Try agitating every three minutes while you're at it.