Ilford FB Classic and FB Cooltone: first impressions

[MDR]

Thank you Michael second pass is better than nothing.

 

[Richard Jepsen]

Just an update. I ordered 50 shts of 11x14 Classic after trying a trial run of 8x10. I always felt MGIV was too generic, too cool, and not the sharpest. Classic is an improvement. One surprise not reported frequently is dry down is absolutely minimal.

In an earlier post I mentioned concern with shelf life. Under recommended storage conditions Ilford reports three years.

 

[Jon Butler]

Got through 4 boxes of Classic, love it. Put an order in before Christmas but still waiting as it's not available in the UK and nobody seems to no why. Please Ilford let me have the paper I've paid for.
Cheers J.

 

[rorye]

I'm really enjoying both new papers.
I love the even speed across the grades, really nice.
Cool tone has never been my thing but I found a neg that works nicely with it and it could grow on me.
Hooray for Ilford.

 

[pbromaghin]

The review posted at the online darkroom and referenced in the first post and throughout the thread seems to no longer exist.

Does anybody have any kind of review of Ilford Cool Tone?

 

[DREW WILEY]

There is an entire decade between the last two posts. "Reviews" would have been a long time ago. Quite a few people, including myself, have used plenty of Cooltone. It's a fine product if you are in fact seeking a cooler image tone, and certainly a big improvement over MGIV.

 

[Prest_400]

The review posted at the online darkroom and referenced in the first post and throughout the thread seems to no longer exist.

Does anybody have any kind of review of Ilford Cool Tone?

The wayback machine has a snapshot of the site: https://web.archive.org/web/2015042.../01/ilford-fb-classic-and-cooltone-first.html
The site's 2022 snapshot shows a domain notice, so sometime before that it was left out of maintenance.

All content copyright of Bruce Robbins (OP), given that the site is unfortunately not live and for posterity here I copy pasted the content from the snapshot above (Mods please edit if unappropiate):

Ilford FB Classic and Cooltone: first impressions​

Cooltone: Three Doors. Mamiya Press 6x9, 90mm Sekor, HP5 Plus

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My friend Andrew Sanderson, who has been testing the new Ilford FB Classic and FB Cooltone papers for the company, sent me a few sheets of both so I could give them a try. I'd actually contacted Andrew to see if he could send me a work print or test strip done on Ilford's Multigrade Art 300 as I'm trying to decide which paper to get for the wee portfolios I want to start. I love it when there are decisions like this to be made: it's one of the best things about analogue photography and darkroom work.

I'm thankful to Andrew for his help as I can safely say that whatever Art 300's properties are, it's surface sheen is not one I like. I think it gets in the way of shadow detail too much so it's been crossed off the list of possibles.

The two new papers, however, are both lovely and definite contenders. I've always had a preference for slightly warm tone papers but I like the new FB Cooltone just as much as FB Classic. With just four sheets of each to play with, I didn't want to get bogged down printing negatives that fell into the "tricky" category so I picked a couple that were nice and straightforward.

A Little Dodging​

They're both about 12-years-old and it was fun getting them under the enlarger again. They're from a time when I couldn't see past Ilford HP5+ developed in Perceptol 1+3. It must still be one of the best combinations out there. Neither one presented any special difficulties. I dodged the far wall on the top print a little and the top right and bottom left corners on the gate pic. I also burned in the bottom right corner on the latter a little. That was about it.

The developer was Spur's Straight Black for the Three Doors shot and Fotospeed's WT10 Warmtone for The Gate. I'd no cold tone developer so I can't say just how cold FB Cooltone will go. In Straight Black, it was neutral to slightly cool. FB Classic picked up a bit of warmth in the Fotospeed developer - that's a combination that I like.

Classic: The Gate. Mamiya Press 6x9, 65mm Sekor, HP5 Plus

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So what can I say about the papers? The first thing that struck me is how quickly the image appears in the tray. With FB Classic, it came in with a vengeance around the 30 second mark and FC Cooltone wasn't far behind. I usually develop fibre based papers for about two-and-a-half to three minutes but I didn't see much point in going beyond two minutes for the new papers. Ilford recommends 1.5-3 minutes in its Multigrade developer at 1+9. A two-minute dev time produced lovely deep blacks and luminous whites.

The contrast range doesn't appear to be much different from Multigrade IV FB but what I like is the papers' more linear response time to different filter grades. The paper speed remains the same for grades 00 to 3 and is only slightly slower at 4 and 5 as the tables below show. That's a useful characteristic and will make it easier to programme the RH Designs Analyser Pro for the new papers. FB Cooltone is just a shade faster than FB Classic. IV FB, by comparison, was slightly slower at 200 ISO up to and including grade 3 but then halved for the harder grades.

Anything that makes printing simpler has got to be a good thing. If you're the type who might change filter grade but forget to dial in the required new time (come on, we've all been there!) then you might just about get away with it such is the similarity in speed across the new papers' grades. Will you always notice a 1/10th stop underexposure or less going from grade 3 to 4?

ISO paper speed
MULTIGRADE FB COOLTONE paper and MULTIGRADE filters
Filter 00 0 1 2 3 4 5
SPEED 250 250 250 250 250 225 225


ISO paper speed

MULTIGRADE FB CLASSIC paper and MULTIGRADE filters
Filter 00 0 1 2 3 4 5
SPEED 230 230 230 230 230 210 210



ISO paper speed
MULTIGRADE IV FB paper and MULTIGRADE filters
Filter 00 0 1 2 3 4 5
SPEED 200 200 200 200 200 100 100

Ilford claim the new papers are sharper than MG IV FB. This may be the case but I'd need to do a side-by-side comparison before being able to comment. Certainly, I had no complaints about sharpness. The other thing I noticed was that the new papers seemed to dry a little flatter than MG IV FB. There was less of an overall curl but perhaps more of a waviness along the edges. However, after sitting under some heavy books for a few days the new products emerged flatter than I'd expect the outgoing IV FB to have done.

Dry Down? What Dry Down?​

When the papers were dry, I checked out the glossy surface and initially thought it was somewhat different from IV FB. My initial impression was that the new papers had a surface that was similar to those high quality fibre based inkjet papers that try to mimic the non-glazed glossy surface of silver gelatin prints. After comparing the old and new papers side-by-side, I don't think there's a big enough difference in their surface qualities to be noticeable in stand alone prints. I'll need to do more prints to be sure but dry down doesn't seem to be much of a problem with these papers.

One of the advantages of FB Classic over MG IV is the former's greater responsiveness to toning. I've seen a couple of online prints where selenium toning produced a beautiful, deep tone with just a hint of "coolth" but I'll leave that aspect for a later date. I'll need to get some selenium for a start! I used to tone prints but I've always treated selenium as if it's nuclear waste. There seems to me to be a nastiness about it that I don't like. It's certainly toxic but it shouldn't be a problem if handled properly. Regardless, I still think I'll be doing my toning on a table in the garden or at least by an open window.

This isn't a test: just some of my early impressions about the paper. From my limited use of them, I'd say Ilford have got a couple of winners on their hands. All three papers in the FB range - Classic, Cooltone and Warmtone - are of very high quality and will cover most photographers' needs. I'm fairly sure I'll plump for one member of this great triumvirate for my portfolios.

 

[DREW WILEY]

Yes, both MG Cooltone and MG Classic have a little more shine in the glossy surface version than MGWT, MGIV FB, and Harman Fineprint. The nature of what is apparently a different gelatin overcoat necessitates that you immerse these newer papers quickly and thoroughly in their respective trays solutions, or you might end up with visibly uneven development of untextured highlights like skies. But then, if done properly, you also get significantly better highlight gradation and detail than with previous MGIV.

The change in density with dry-down is significant, just like with MGWT and most other FB papers. Only Galerie Graded had minor dry-down shift. Full DMax with any of these papers requires supplemental toning after dev and fixing.

 

[pbromaghin]

Prest_400 - thank you. It is very helpful to get initial impression from when the paper was just new. I’m new to darkroom and so have no frame of reference when it is compared with other papers.