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Any chance of following suit in bringing FP4+ down to match pricing of HP5+ for 120, too?

I love FP4+, and would never shoot another film again if the 120 prices were dropped, too! When I have to duck into a camera shop instead of buying online, I frequently end up with HP5+ or Acros to get more film for the $$$.

That's mostly the local shop's pricing I'm guessing that's not as much ilford. Acros is more expensive than FP4+ at the big box store, so I'm guessing the shop is over charging.

Sure it's still more than HP5+ slightly, but not insanely higher.

Of course I wouldn't mind if Delta100 was also matched with both of those... :smile:

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Yeah, the camera shop I run into every now and then charges full retail for Ilford products. so $5.85 for HP5+, $6.90 for FP4+... I'm assuming that's full retail since it's the highest I've seen. For Fuji and Kodak, they only sell rolls pulled out of pro-packs, and base it off those retail prices. Last time it was $5.29 per roll of Acros or Ektar, and $6ish for Portra, which doesn't hurt too bad.

They must charge premiums on stuff they don't sell or something, though, or maybe it's what they sell a lot of-- $10+ a roll of E-6 120... and about $20 after tax for a roll of 135-36 E-6...
 

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Yeah, the camera shop I run into every now and then charges full retail for Ilford products. so $5.85 for HP5+, $6.90 for FP4+... I'm assuming that's full retail since it's the highest I've seen. For Fuji and Kodak, they only sell rolls pulled out of pro-packs, and base it off those retail prices. Last time it was $5.29 per roll of Acros or Ektar, and $6ish for Portra, which doesn't hurt too bad.

They must charge premiums on stuff they don't sell or something, though, or maybe it's what they sell a lot of-- $10+ a roll of E-6 120... and about $20 after tax for a roll of 135-36 E-6...

My local place sells ilford films for about $8.50 to $13 a piece... It's just stupid expensive so I never buy it there... Their kodak isn't much cheaper or anything, but when I asked if they could match of come close to the B&H price they told me that it costs them more wholesale than B&H charges for retail... I don't know how true this is but it seems outrageous.
 

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Perhaps they should buy from B&H.

Yep, sounds familiar. One of my local labs said the Australian Fuji Wholesaler charged them something like $15-20/roll of Velvia, so he had to sell them for $25 to make any money off them.
Then he started sourcing it directly (he didn't say, but could be direct from Japan or even B+H) for closer to $5-10 a roll and he can sell them retail for $15, cheaper than the Fuji wholesaler charged him (that was a year ago, before the few price hikes since).
Of course the only way he can get away with this is because he's a photo lab. He's not a shop that would be risking thousands worth of fuji digicam margins to save a bit on film.

Back to Ilford, I've checked cheapshotsau, and their FP4 is $1 cheaper in 5x120, and $1 more in 4x5x25s, then $5 cheaper in 135x100' cans, and $5 more in 4x5x100s (compared to HP5). Much of a muchness, really.
Still, that's all 50% more than B+H, but I only buy from B+H when I've got a huge order of something else and it's worth the $70 shipping, then I throw in a few rolls of film (not often).
 

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My local place sells ilford films for about $8.50 to $13 a piece... It's just stupid expensive so I never buy it there... Their kodak isn't much cheaper or anything, but when I asked if they could match of come close to the B&H price they told me that it costs them more wholesale than B&H charges for retail... I don't know how true this is but it seems outrageous.

Wow. That's way higher than retail. Not sure how the photo equipment world goes, but when I worked at a fairly high-end guitar shop, selling anything above retail was a BIG no-no.

The highest retail cost for any Ilford film is $11.58 (it seems) for a roll of Delta 3200 in 135-36. That retails for about $8 in 120. Everything else 120 is $5.90 (HP5+) to $6.93 (Pan F+). 135-36 ranges from $6.55 (HP5+ and now FP4+) to $9.31 (Pan F+).

I don't know who distributes Ilford, but it may be against their rules to charge $ on top of retail. They should at least honor retail price. I could understand them not being able to match Adorama/B&H pricing, as they have enough turnover to be able to have those low prices, but I would be pretty sure the guy is lying if he's saying they pay more for wholesale.

Then again, B&H/Adorama could be selling film as a loss leader. They may figure that people wouldn't want to pay the $13 shipping for a handful of rolls of film, and find other things to buy, but that seems highly unlikely, as, like myself, most people I know just buy a bunch of film at a time to save on shipping, and I rarely order anything else from Adorama when I order, except sometimes paper, which is again MUCH cheaper online than the local stores.

I also highly doubt that Ilford would let Adorama/B&H advertise pricing for film that's below wholesale. That would basically be alienating the entire small shop market, which definitely does not seem like something Ilford would be doing.
 

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Yep, sounds familiar. One of my local labs said the Australian Fuji Wholesaler charged them something like $15-20/roll of Velvia, so he had to sell them for $25 to make any money off them.
Then he started sourcing it directly (he didn't say, but could be direct from Japan or even B+H) for closer to $5-10 a roll and he can sell them retail for $15, cheaper than the Fuji wholesaler charged him (that was a year ago, before the few price hikes since).
Of course the only way he can get away with this is because he's a photo lab. He's not a shop that would be risking thousands worth of fuji digicam margins to save a bit on film.

Back to Ilford, I've checked cheapshotsau, and their FP4 is $1 cheaper in 5x120, and $1 more in 4x5x25s, then $5 cheaper in 135x100' cans, and $5 more in 4x5x100s (compared to HP5). Much of a muchness, really.
Still, that's all 50% more than B+H, but I only buy from B+H when I've got a huge order of something else and it's worth the $70 shipping, then I throw in a few rolls of film (not often).

Interesting,

I've thought about this before, about Velvia100 in sheet film... What I mean is, there's no tracking for Fuji when a customer in AU buys film from US it appears that the interest for a film had dwindled in AU and that more is consumed in US.

This then causes the FUJI company to pull out of the AU market for example. BUT that just makes it even harder to get a film.

So I'm in the same problem, I prefer Velvia50, so I want to buy direct from Japan, but that will cause the Velvia100 to seem as if no one wants any Velvia in the US, and Fuji may pull Velvia100, then neither is available. Or do I suck it up and try and just use Velvia100 and have images that are less than what I want, but still good, and help continue the film sales in the US?

It's a strange conundrum.

It's also so amazing how inexpensive the same film can be in one place and so expensive in another...

At least ilford is trying to even things out. That's all we can hope, that the main companies do what they can and let's hope the retailers can do their job to notice and not take advantage of the customer.
 

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A couple of years ago I saw some information/opinion that indicated that between them, B & H and Adorama sold more film than all of the retailers in Canada combined (population 30+ million).

Their prices are artificially low.
 

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I expect that's what the future will look like.

Fewer and fewer local retailers dealing in tiny volumes of film means that sales will migrate to a very few, relatively large on-line sales outlets...and it may be that this evolves to where it is all handled manufacture-direct.
 
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Dear Pentax user,

Regarding MG COOLTONE RC in the UK.

The UK Sales Manager has agreed to communicate to the UK trade regarding this and we will post an outcome on June 1st or sooner.

Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited :
 

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Right now at B&H I see:

HP5 36 exp. - $4.75
FP4 36 exp. - $5.99
 

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A couple of years ago I saw some information/opinion that indicated that between them, B & H and Adorama sold more film than all of the retailers in Canada combined (population 30+ million).

Their prices are artificially low.

Perhaps the larger volume allows B&H, Adorama, others, a greater level of efficiency. Buying in greater volume certainly lowers the inbound shipping & handling cost vs smaller resellers. The Free Market certainly can be an advantage to the consumer and I would not want it any other way.

The flip side is it becomes less attractive (profitable) to smaller retailers and then consumers complain because they want it now and want it for cheap yet, may no longer be available other than mail order.

Who among us has not first shopped a local store, to look and handle a product, then searched mail order or now a days, on line, for a cheaper price.

Age old problem in the free market system.
 

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Perhaps the larger volume allows B&H, Adorama, others, a greater level of efficiency. Buying in greater volume certainly lowers the inbound shipping & handling cost vs smaller resellers. The Free Market certainly can be an advantage to the consumer and I would not want it any other way.

The flip side is it becomes less attractive (profitable) to smaller retailers and then consumers complain because they want it now and want it for cheap yet, may no longer be available other than mail order.

Who among us has not first shopped a local store, to look and handle a product, then searched mail order or now a days, on line, for a cheaper price.

Age old problem in the free market system.

If you've ever been to B&H you would know it's the most efficient store in existence, it's wild, there's even roller tracks all over the ceiling with baskets full of product traveling along, you don't carry your purchases or use carts, the reps put the product in bins and it travels to the front of the store where you pick it up all ready for you. It's insanely efficient (and I'm sure a huge theft preventer.

Nothing like it anywhere.
 

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Right now at B&H I see:

HP5 36 exp. - $4.75
FP4 36 exp. - $5.99

These prices are unchanged since the original post. This leads me to ask, what then was the purpose of the original post?
 

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Right now at B&H I see:

HP5 36 exp. - $4.75
FP4 36 exp. - $5.99

These prices are unchanged since the original post. This leads me to ask, what then was the purpose of the original post?

Maybe forwarding it to B&H might help?
 

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Right now at B&H I see:

HP5 36 exp. - $4.75
FP4 36 exp. - $5.99

These prices are unchanged since the original post. This leads me to ask, what then was the purpose of the original post?

It may only take effect when B&H actually makes a new order, you have to understand, this is a massive store, with Massive stock, and they may only by once or twice a year and store at all, so the changes will probably take effect once their current stock is depleted and they make a new purchase...
 

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Let me put it another way.

Has anyone who contributed to this thread over the last seven pages been able to buy 36 exp. FP4 for $4.75?
 

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Or, to put it another way.

Has anyone who contributed to this thread over the last seven pages been able to buy 36 exp. FP4 for the same price as HP5?
 

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It may only take effect when B&H actually makes a new order, you have to understand, this is a massive store, with Massive stock, and they may only by once or twice a year and store at all, so the changes will probably take effect once their current stock is depleted and they make a new purchase...

Any retailer, wholesaler, factors in the turnover. You make more money, even with less margin, if you turn over your product faster. Factor in all the cost, shelf space, handling, cost of funds, insurance, etc. Then factor in use by dates, market trends, the total risk factor, you want to resell, not own the inventory. B&H certainly is very good at this.
 

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Any retailer, wholesaler, factors in the turnover. You make more money, even with less margin, if you turn over your product faster. Factor in all the cost, shelf space, handling, cost of funds, insurance, etc. Then factor in use by dates, market trends, the total risk factor, you want to resell, not own the inventory. B&H certainly is very good at this.

Yes, but it's not even been a month since this post... Give it time guys... Sheesh!
 
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The retailer can sell for whatever price he chooses. We are a small niche market and it's priced that way. The manufacturer can only suggest a selling price not mandate it. Anti-trust laws and such...............
 

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Did Ilford Delta 3200 film prices jump up? I just bought some a couple weeks ago at $7.99 per 135 roll but now BH has it at 8.99. Adorama still has $7.99 but is back ordered.

Are we going to see a price hike?
 
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