I worked for Kodak and I get very tired of seeing comments that the engineers and chemists were stupid and did not know how to do there job. When the industry was in good health, work by all film and camera manufacturers continued to improve the products and use. When the film industry started the long slide down, those people worked hard to develop and implement innovative ideas to expand and extend the film industry.
I wonder how many of the 220 critics enjoy loading their Rolleiflex cameras with the pistol grip in the field every 12 shots. I need to carry two TLRs now that 220 is no longer available.
It is also funny how over in the Darkroom section people complain about difficulty getting the two 12 exposure rolls both on the Jobo processig reel.
I worked for Kodak and I get very tired of seeing comments that the engineers and chemists were stupid and did not know how to do there job. When the industry was in good health, work by all film and camera manufacturers continued to improve the products and use. When the film industry started the long slide down, those people worked hard to develop and implement innovative ideas to expand and extend the film industry.
That’s an interesting and probably endless discussion.
There can be no doubt, to anyone who is even remotely acquainted with the industry and history and implementation of the technology, that Kodak had some of the finest brains ever working in house.
What can be questioned is why, when they had had ample warning, by videotape shaving the Super 8 market down to almost nothing over night in the 80s, that they didn’t see the writing on the wall and actually do something drastic‽
The problem was not the basic technology. Kodak had some of the best sensor tech on the planet for a long time.
And there where many projects to radically improve films QE and turnover time, that never got off the ground in time.
Similar things went on at another imaging giant: Xerox.
They invented and had working all of the technology you and I are using right now, only mostly though, theirs was better thought out and implemented - in the 70’s.
I’d love to hear some reasoning from someone who was there.
A question, can 120 film be used in a 220 back and just stop shooting at 12 exposures?
Yes - assuming you are shooting 6x6.A question, can 120 film be used in a 220 back and just stop shooting at 12 exposures?
What’s “cocky self price chromosome”?Kodak, Xerox and others even though employees warned management many times suffered from myopius huberis with the super cocky self price chromosome.
Missing from this analysis is the lost revenue that HARMAN would suffer because photographers who purchase 220 aren't purchasing the 120 they were before a fantasy 220 revival.If, as Ilford suggested, a new 220 packing machine would cost £300,000 (probably more by now), and the cost were amortised at £1 per film, that's 300,000 films which would have to be sold before the cost were recovered ! Add in the cost of special backing paper (and holding a huge stock to meet minimum order quantity), new packing and printing (individual film boxes and outer wholesale packing), staff training, warehouse space, advertising and distribution costs, a bit of profit for Ilford and a bit for the dealer, sales tax, and a few other overheads.
What would be a fair retail price for the film compared with two 120 films? And ask yourself if YOU would pay it regularly, compared with the cost of two 120 films, just to save a little effort to reload your Rolleiflex ?
(And, of course, we'd like to be able to choose from a couple of speeds of B&W, a couple of speeds of C-41, and ideally some slide film.)
Missing from this analysis is the lost revenue that HARMAN would suffer because photographers who purchase 220 aren't purchasing the 120 they were before a fantasy 220 revival.
Kodak, Xerox and others even though employees warned management many times suffered from myopius huberis with the super cocky self pride chromosome.
What’s CA?The brightest minds went to CA early in EKs death spiral. Those that went to Xerox watched brighter minds leveraging each other's brighter minds at Google and Apple, tinkering with blockchain...some retiring as 30 year old billionaires. They never even heard of Rochester.
What’s CA?
All the exciting stuff happened looong before Google and blockchain.
Most of today’s technology is just coasting on fumes, repacking technology and riding on the coattails of Moore’s Law.
You bet EK heard of PARC, and visa versa.
Technologies such a as E-ink, CMOS sensors and laserprinting was invented at PARC and had high relevance to EK.
Ever heard of Gary Starkweather (who died this December)?
A portion of Kodak's film business remained profitable - primarily the motion picture film business - but large portions of their business simply nose-dived into un-profitability.As I recall, at the time Kodak was letting go of a lot of film production, this was done under new investors, wanting it the Software/Digital scene, whom decided on their own to declare film is just about dead and no longer a major focus of the new Kodak.
Early on, they were building small, portable photo printers, that digital file could be downloaded in and a print would shoot out the printers... mouth.
I may be completely off base in my remembrance of what was reported at the time, but I believe Kodak was still profitable, it was just swallowed up by investment groups whom thought they new better than the people whom made, bought or shot their uncouth film related products.
IMO,
Cheers to you eli. If you encounter anyone with an out of the box idea that permits economic use of my 220 film cameras, I'll be support it!Cheers, Matt.
I know Hasselblad made a 135 mag at some point and that it is rare, but other than as a 120 film saving tool, and a tool to allow for sprocket images, would I like using it?
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