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Hey all--

I'm considering dipping my toes into the world of rangefinders - 35mm and/or 120. I love the compactness and am just genuinely curious.

My budget is tight, this is a hobby for me. If you were going to get one for an every-day carry, what would it be? Under $100? Under $50?
 

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Canon QL 1.7, Konica S2 Kodak Retina II or even a III small, for under a 100, many many AF points and shoots under $50.00. In 120 many folders, some scale focus like the Kodak Tourister, maybe a Mamyia Press 23 with 90mm, sometime go for under a $100.
 

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For the kind of money you're talking about I would buy a Petri 7s in good condition. I like it a lot but it seems hard to find a good one. But if I would buy my first rangefinder it would be a Leica.
 

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For the kind of money you're talking about I would buy a Petri 7s in good condition. I like it a lot but it seems hard to find a good one. But if I would buy my first rangefinder it would be a Leica.

Not sure your answer helps the OP in any way. A Leica for $100 or less, really?
 

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A Zeiss Ikon Contessa. Search this forum and you'll find many people declaring their love on this magnificent 35mm folding camera. Really compact, excellent optics (Carl Zeiss Tessar 45mm F/2.8), seriously over-engineered..... maybe the most beautiful camera ever built.
 

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Zeiss Ikon Super Ikonta B. I think it's the best rangefinder per $

I've seen several go that cheep. May take some time.
 

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I got a Zorki I with an Industar 22 lens when I was trying to decide if I wanted a Leica III. I ended up getting the Leica with an Elmar lens and it's my favorite rangefinder now. There are obvious quality differences but the feel and handling are the same plus the image quality is pretty good. Don't expect an FSU camera to be reliable but the lenses are good. If you want something that's metered the Yashica Electro 35 GSN is a great aperture priority rangefinder but it's a bit big though. If you don't need the light meter the Kodak Signet 35 is a good one. The shutter is easy to overhaul, there are instruction online, plus it has a very nice Ektar lens. The only downside to the signet is the dim rangefinder patch.
 

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Did we mention the Olympus XA ? I bought mine ( incl. A11 flash) for about 50 euro (= $ 55).
Another recommendation in 35mm is a Konica III (with f/2 48mm Hexanon lens) - I paid 110 euro.
In 120 I can recommend a Zeiss Ikon Super Ikonta III 531/16 (with Novar Anastigmat f/3.5 75mm) for about 120 euro (the Tessar model will be more expensive).
All three cameras have a coupled rangefinder and remarkable image quality.
 

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Not sure your answer helps the OP in any way. A Leica for $100 or less, really?
Please reread my post. I said for the kind of money the OP wants to spend I would buy the Petri 7s but if I buy a rangefinder I wouldn't limit myself to $100 but rather spend $5000 + for the Leica.
 

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$5000 for Leica and lens seems terribly expensive for just a single usable lens+camera combination. I've somehow managed to satisfy all my photography needs - SLR in both 35 mm and medium format, medium format TLR, large format monorail, 35 mm and 6x9 rangefinder - for less than $2000.
 

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I am very happy with my Bessa R with an Induster 61L/D 2.8/55 lens. By setting your price range so low you risk buying something undependable. Better to skip Starbucks for awhile and buy something for a bit more money. The Industar 61 is as very sharp lanthanum glass lens. I got mine new for $50 US. There is an older Industar 61 but it does not use lanthanum glass. Not as good as the L/D.

BTW, my Pentax SLR's sit on the shelf now. The Bessa is my camera of choice.
 
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You should be able to get a Kodak Retina II c or II a for under $100.Be sure to buy from someone who knows what they are selling,though as these cameras are very often problematic with regard to slow shutter speeds and stiff focusing.If you get a good working one you will not be disappointed.
 

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On the left, the Canon QL17 Giii 35mm rangefinder with fixed 40mm lens.

On the right, the Minolta Hi-Matic 9 35mm rangefinder with fixed 45mm lens.

These two rangefinders were in your price range when I bought them.



Rangefinders by Narsuitus, on Flickr
 
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Wow, amazing bunch of info everyone. Thanks! I'm going to check out a bunch of these and see what I like. Having lived in Russia for a couple of years I've always kind of wanted to own an FSU camera or two, but lots of great options to look into.
 

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Get a Zorki 4/4k the Jupiter 8 is a lovely lens and I have never had much reliability problems with FSU cameras. With these RF threads you will not find a poor camera recommended they are all good
 

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Honestly, the biggest problem you are going to have, when buying any 30+ year old rangefinder camera, is finding one that works well. One of the main problems will be hazy viewfinders, sticky/stuck shutters, and inoperative light meters (if the camera has a built-in meter). Consequently, I'd say just stick to finding something that works properly and is within your price range, especially if you are just wanting to try out rangefinder-type cameras without any serious investment. Any of the old Canon Canonet cameras with an f1.7-f1.9 lens would be great, and typically sell in "working" condition on eBay for under $100. The earlier, larger Canonets are nice cameras and often sell for much less than the later G-III QL17 model.The Konica Auto S2 is also a good option, and can typically be purchased and fully CLA'd by Weber Camera (specializes in Konicas) for around $150 in total expenses. These earlier Canonets and the Auto S2 are fairly large cameras (about the same size as an SLR from the period). Another popular option and MUCH smaller is the Olympus RC, but these are getting pricey (around $100-$150 for a solid working example).

With patience, regularly checking the classifieds section here at APUG and at RFF (Rangefinder Forum) could yield some good options.

The Zeiss Contessa... IMO terribly over-rated. They are a good camera, but certainly not the epic jewel that people make them out to be. They can also be fairly expensive for guaranteed working examples ($100+). And yes, I've owned/used one before. It was... OK...

I've also never liked the Zorki 4 models... their viewfinders are a bit weird (it's difficult to see the entire frame when looking through one), the winding is a bit weird (the step in the top plate is WAY to close to the winding knob), and of the 4-5 examples I've had they never really inspired much confidence in their reliability. If you want to try out a Russian RF camera, I'd suggest something like an FED 2 or a Kiev 4. Fedka currently has a Kiev 4a listed for $109. However, I will admit that the Jupiter-8 lens that is commonly included with the Zorki 4 is indeed a great little lens. A classic Canon LTM body with a Jupiter 8 on the front is also a good option.

If you don't have a good handheld light meter, you might want to consider getting one. That will open up a LOT of options for great classic rangefinder cameras if you still want to be make accurate exposures (unless you are uncannily good at estimating exposure yourself).

Personally, I would go with finding a clean Konica Auto S2 and then sending it in to Weber Camera for a full CLA and battery conversion. It will likely cost a bit over your budget, but you'll have a freshly serviced camera with a nice lens, excellent viewfinder, and built in meter. Everything that you'd want in a daily-user rangefinder camera.
 
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I think what is said above about condition of the camera is very wise, many of the 70s rangefinders are pretty similar.

I have just recently bought my first rangefinder. I'm very glad I did, and wish I had sooner. As I suspected, it suites how I shoot and the light I often shoot with.

I wasn't particularly keen on a shutter, aperture-priority or auto camera so I went for a mk2 Olympus 35S. It's a 1960s camera, older than the famous SP and relatively well built. The lens is very good and uncoated. It's designed around manual use (which I like) and is mechanical bar the meter. It has parallax correction and (more importantly) a large, bright viewfinder.

I've quickly moved on to a Leica but I can highly recommend one of these, or the LC – which is essentially the same camera restyled (albeit with metering from behind the filter – which is nice). Another camera I'd have considered (but failed to find in my price range) was the Konica IIa.

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Personally, I would go with finding a clean Konica Auto S2 and then sending it in to Weber Camera for a full CLA and battery conversion. It will likely cost a bit over your budget, but you'll have a freshly serviced camera with a nice lens, excellent viewfinder, and built in meter. Everything that you'd want in a daily-user rangefinder camera.

A full CLA should at least be budgeted for an old camera whether it is a rangefinder or a single lens reflex. Unlike wine a camera is not helped by aging on a shelf.
 
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