So, if I use my DSLR to produce an image of my kids that I put on Facebook, it's a photograph, because it's "commercial", and it's the artifact that counts. But if I use the same process to produce an image that is sold in an art gallery, it's not a photograph, because it's "art", and it's the process that counts? Seriously?
Whoever labeled Man Ray's photograms "cameraless photography" must not have gotten the memo.
Whoever labeled Man Ray's photograms "cameraless photography" must not have gotten the memo.
what do you mean by this ?
man ray never made photograms, maholy-nagy did ... man ray made rayographs ..
are you suggesting his ( or maholy nagy's ) photographic images shouldn't be called cameraless photographs, or photographs?
And I guess Ansel made "Adamsographs"?
http://www.iphf.org/Hall_Of_Fame/Inducties_Bios/Man_Ray_Bio.html
Also in 1921, man Ray moved to Paris and made the first of what he called “Rayographs.” Also known as photograms, these images were produced by placing objects directly onto photographic paper and then exposing them to light.
Of course not; please read the post I responded to (and disagreed with), which argued that artistic digital images shouldn't be called photographs because they don't use the original photographic process (camera, film, darkroom). My point is that you can't exclude one without also excluding the other. I exclude neither.
I'd be done. I hate the digital process. I've been making my living staring at a monitor and wrapping my fingers around a mouse for 30 years and rarely touch a computer during evenings or weekends. If film went I'd dig in the garden or go to the gym.
And, I spend 40 hours pretty much in front of a computer screen anyway.
Are you kidding me, Original Poster?
If both Kodak and Fuji stopped making photographic film, there would be a lot of money for companies like Ilford, Efke, etc. to produce film at higher prices.
I'm sort of surprised how much the "busman's holiday" is a factor in people liking/disliking digital.
To me the computer is just a means to an end, but I do understand the overdosing aspect.
Personally I hated darkroom work. Locked in the dark for hours on end......But then, I kinda like my wife.
I was never happier when I finally sold the trays, enlargers etc etc and could work in the light, watch TV, look at porn, surf the web, write rude comments, look at porn, talk on the phone etc.
To say nothing about the ease of retouching.
I'd give it up and go back to painting/drawing.
I'm sort of surprised how much the "busman's holiday" is a factor in people liking/disliking digital.
To me the computer is just a means to an end, but I do understand the overdosing aspect.
Personally I hated darkroom work. Locked in the dark for hours on end......But then, I kinda like my wife.
I was never happier when I finally sold the trays, enlargers etc etc and could work in the light, watch TV, look at porn, surf the web, write rude comments, look at porn, talk on the phone etc.
To say nothing about the ease of retouching.
I would make it.
EDIT: Actually, I would probably make glass plates rather than film. Like this: http://albumen.conservation-us.org/library/c19/petschler.html
Steve.
I think, having used both, (and this'll really get people going), photography is like music. You have to practice and learn and work hard to create a good silver print, and you have to do the same to play the guitar well. It doesn't take much to put a CD in the player and turn it on, set the bass and treble, and away you go, which equates to digital.
With all due respect, this is absolute rubbish. Playing a CD is nothing whatsoever like taking a photograph with a digital camera. At the end of the day, the only real difference between digital photography and analogue/film photography is the medium on which the "negative" is stored.
Silver prints can as much be the end product of a digital negative as a film negative can be digitally printed. A digital negative can be produced using a view camera as much as a film negative can be produced using a point and shoot camera! Digital photography is no less a process than film photography. It's just different. And I say this as someone who's only digital camera is the one on my mobile phone.
Yes, you did get people (or me, at least) going!
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