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This is probably the wrong thread for this post, but couldn't find one to fit. Moderators feel free to redirect.

I would suggest that the ideal digital camera would be one that was the same size and weight as the Leica II, with a collapsible 50mm lens, but a viewfinder like an M2. It should be 26 megapixel or above and with limited functions for just shutter and aperture that mirror the original Leica II.
 

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For some dumb reason Fuji took off in a right direction, yet failed enough just to piss me off. And I never met any Fuji engineer.

Still, there is nothing like X100? In handling and 90% of employed ideology. But how one can improve and make it worse at the same time is a feat. X100V !!!!

So I have to hold on to X100T and wait for another round of hope. And wish others will at last take Fuji on a racing track.

And yes, it is a wrong section ... analog.
 
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This is probably the wrong thread for this post, but couldn't find one to fit. Moderators feel free to redirect
You probably just missed the warning when posting thread as it tells you which triplet you are in when starting a new thread.
 
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For some dumb reason Fuji took off in a right direction, yet failed enough just to piss me off. And I never met any Fuji engineer.

Still, there is nothing like X100? In handling and 90% of employed ideology. But how one can improve and make it worse at the same time is a feat. X100V !!!!

So I have to hold on to X100T and wait for another round of hope. And wish others will at last take Fuji on a racing track.

And yes, it is a wrong section ... analog.

I was thinking of buying one of these Fuji digital cameras and then thought that perhaps I only like the look of them because they look a bit like a Leica. What are they like? And which is the best version? I have never bought a digital camera before.
 

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If the X100 had a 50mm equivalent lens I would love to have it. Sadly the chose to go wide and fix it in the crop.
 

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I was thinking of buying one of these Fuji digital cameras and then thought that perhaps I only like the look of them because they look a bit like a Leica. What are they like? And which is the best version? I have never bought a digital camera before.
To start from end the X100V or current model has improved lens (all earlier ones had same but different lens, new has some changes to optical design, all claim it is better or sharper wide open) and it has 26 mpx sensor, and his is good due to better cropping potential. It is also weather sealed (if you spend extra money to "finalize" it, which I find as an insult to buyers of this well over grand camera).

Viewfinder is absolutely brilliant all around and Fuji put on that blue DOF slider in view that is absolutely fantastic for manual focus shooting, as you can see DOF on the fly and super easy to shoot hyperfocal distance.

Current version has touch screen and joystick, earlier models had 4-way controller and this is personal - I hate joysticks. Screen on newest is also flex-mounted so it gives some flexibility in specific situations.

Manual focus is fly-by-wire so ring spins around and around. I have X100T and am not sure if newest model has improved resistance, but all before it ... it's almost a joke how freely focus ring spins around. But the most annoying is the non-stop in any direction, so I wish they would come up with manual focus that would hit stops at either end just like manual lenses. This camera screams for having classic feel and this kills it for me.

AF works fine on T, it reportedly is vastly improved on V, but quite honestly, if one uses AF to catch action, there are not a lot of times when a wide angle lens is suited for action shots that would also require pin point sharpness. That's my view. In other words i don't see much need for latest and fastest AF on this kind of camera.

And now the front ring. What Fuji engineers were thinking to put male thread on the front of the lens is to me beyond outrageous. In order to even put a lens hood on, an adapter is required to flip the thread to female.

They make conversion lenses too, a wide and a tele. How these are designed is another joke. I regret I bought them, even if only paid half price (and it's clear why). A screw on lens that takes forever to complete, then go to menu to flip camera's brain into thinking what it has. I believe newest version recognizes what is on, but am not sure.

All lenses are corrected in camera, so your camera RAW isn't as RAW as definition would suggest. However, the outcome is quite good so I am not complaining.

Overall controls are just what they look like, as close to manual RF as you can get these days. Shocking why any other major has not yet picked up on the idea.

Fuji also implemented its range of film simulations, which are mostly quite good. But best is the B&W out of camera, and you can filter it from standard through green/yellow/red filter.

In the end I'm pissed at some design elements, I absolutely love how it handles by being so close to real classic RF, and not just from looks, it is a hefty device, all metal and feels premium from all directions.

But I would suggest to see it in store, or at least by remote with mind set on possible return.
 
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Thanks, that is helpful and I don't think I will buy one.
 

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This was shot right through the windshield with Fuji X100T while driving through the bridge. Heft of the camera helped keeping it steady.

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Leica / Panasonic Lumix is a great camera .. aspherical lens. a thing of beauty probably more "information" in the image than a sheet of 35mm or 120 film.
only a few hundred dollars too...
 

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To start from end the X100V or current model has improved lens (all earlier ones had same but different lens, new has some changes to optical design, all claim it is better or sharper wide open) and it has 26 mpx sensor, and his is good due to better cropping potential. It is also weather sealed (if you spend extra money to "finalize" it, which I find as an insult to buyers of this well over grand camera).

Viewfinder is absolutely brilliant all around and Fuji put on that blue DOF slider in view that is absolutely fantastic for manual focus shooting, as you can see DOF on the fly and super easy to shoot hyperfocal distance.

Current version has touch screen and joystick, earlier models had 4-way controller and this is personal - I hate joysticks. Screen on newest is also flex-mounted so it gives some flexibility in specific situations.

Manual focus is fly-by-wire so ring spins around and around. I have X100T and am not sure if newest model has improved resistance, but all before it ... it's almost a joke how freely focus ring spins around. But the most annoying is the non-stop in any direction, so I wish they would come up with manual focus that would hit stops at either end just like manual lenses. This camera screams for having classic feel and this kills it for me.

AF works fine on T, it reportedly is vastly improved on V, but quite honestly, if one uses AF to catch action, there are not a lot of times when a wide angle lens is suited for action shots that would also require pin point sharpness. That's my view. In other words i don't see much need for latest and fastest AF on this kind of camera.

And now the front ring. What Fuji engineers were thinking to put male thread on the front of the lens is to me beyond outrageous. In order to even put a lens hood on, an adapter is required to flip the thread to female.

They make conversion lenses too, a wide and a tele. How these are designed is another joke. I regret I bought them, even if only paid half price (and it's clear why). A screw on lens that takes forever to complete, then go to menu to flip camera's brain into thinking what it has. I believe newest version recognizes what is on, but am not sure.

All lenses are corrected in camera, so your camera RAW isn't as RAW as definition would suggest. However, the outcome is quite good so I am not complaining.

Overall controls are just what they look like, as close to manual RF as you can get these days. Shocking why any other major has not yet picked up on the idea.

Fuji also implemented its range of film simulations, which are mostly quite good. But best is the B&W out of camera, and you can filter it from standard through green/yellow/red filter.

In the end I'm pissed at some design elements, I absolutely love how it handles by being so close to real classic RF, and not just from looks, it is a hefty device, all metal and feels premium from all directions.

But I would suggest to see it in store, or at least by remote with mind set on possible return.


thanks for the info, I want one pretty badly, but I am waiting for the price to drop a bit more on the second hand market
 

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This is probably the wrong thread for this post, but couldn't find one to fit. Moderators feel free to redirect.

Yes. Definitely the WRONG place. There is a whole other area for discussion of digital imaging and the associated gear.
 

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Seriously! Is this a joke? Please leave and don't come back.
 

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Yes. Definitely the WRONG place. There is a whole other area for discussion of digital imaging and the associated gear.
Generally speaking yes. Exception being "Leica II" reference which absolute majority of digital shooters cannot relate to.
 

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Generally speaking yes. Exception being "Leica II" reference which absolute majority of digital shooters cannot relate to.

LOL...That's a pretty thin argument. The entire thread is about digital imaging devices...and such definitely does not belong here. That's the whole point of the separate Digital area.

Posting it here is feels trollish...like he's testing the electric fence to see if it is still energized.
 

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LOL...That's a pretty thin argument. The entire thread is about digital imaging devices...and such definitely does not belong here. That's the whole point of the separate Digital area.

Posting it here is feels trollish...like he's testing the electric fence to see if it is still energized.
Thin it is and remains valid. It takes some analog shooting to feel whether digital returns similar feedback. I'm not offended by seeing it here, I don't participate in digital side, yet don't dismiss it either. But it seems like we'll see public lynching not far from now, and why?
 

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I have two "ideal" digital cameras. A hulking Pentax 645z medium format monster that provides the cleanest and most detailed images I have ever produced in any medium, that is ideal in every way my other camera is not, a pretty little nimble fast and elegant Fuji X100V, which is ideal in every way the first is not. And that is the ideal camera-the one that suits the purpose. YMMV

Heres a little snappy from the Fuji

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This is probably the wrong thread for this post, but couldn't find one to fit. Moderators feel free to redirect.

I would suggest that the ideal digital camera would be one that was the same size and weight as the Leica II, with a collapsible 50mm lens, but a viewfinder like an M2. It should be 26 megapixel or above and with limited functions for just shutter and aperture that mirror the original Leica II.
are you assuming a DSLR?
 
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