David Lingham
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Is there any noticeable difference between ID11 and D76 used 1+1 with 35mm FP4.
This might sound stupid since I don't use either anymore, but I did years ago and it was the first two developers I ever used. I talk college Photography Arts course #101 and D76 was required for use with Tri-X 35mm. Toward the end of the course I ran out of D76 and bought ID11 instead. People might not believe this, but I did see a difference in my Ilfobrom prints even at 8x10 size. I used it for the rest of the course and passed with flying colors. I never used D76 again. I'm sure they, Kodak and Ilford, probably changed some of the formula since the 70's so I can't say about now. Either would work so toss a coin and call it!Is there any noticeable difference between ID11 and D76 used 1+1 with 35mm FP4.
Bob,I went from D76 to ID11 and agree I saw no change.
Is there any noticeable difference between ID11 and D76 used 1+1 with 35mm FP4.
I never said it was a big difference, but I did see a difference and my eyes were like a Hawks back then. I still seemed to think it looked different/better, but don't really care to argue about it since I haven't used either in many years.David pls. Notice: There is indeed a difference.
It is like ham and eggs Vs scrambled eggs with ham.
You will allways meet some people who are tasting a big difference.
with regards
My reason for asking is, here in the UK D76 as become expensive.
I never said it was a big difference, but I did see a difference and my eyes were like a Hawks back then. I still seemed to think it looked different/better, but don't really care to argue about it since I haven't used either in many years.
Yes, when I thought there was a difference, but couldn't know for sure, I went back to one of my favorite subjects for a reshoot. A very huge Oak tree in the middle of a winter wheat field. I bulk-loaded Tri-X at the time so rolled out 20 exp. I shot the scene on a tripod and kept everything the same. In the darkroom I cut the film in half and process each in the two developers. My printing time changed just slightly, but contrast was still pretty much right on for grade 2 Ilfobrom. I seemed to pick the ID11 print as the best and ask a few kids(blind test) in the class if they saw a difference. Almost all said yes, but it was about a toss-up to them as to which was the winner. I do realize that that one variable of enlarger exposure time could have an effect on the outcome, but that didn't matter at the time since the ID11 print looked slightly and I say slightly better to me.There is a slight difference between the current versions of D76 and ID-11, this is due to slightly differing changes in buffeing from the original publish formulae, this almost certainly helps when they are used dilute. To all intents and purposes they are still inter-changeable dev times though might be marginally different, probably only noticeable if the same scene is shot at the same time and the results compared side by side.
Ian
no difference other than the manufacturer.Is there any noticeable difference between ID11 and D76 used 1+1 with 35mm FP4.
no difference other than the manufacturer.
Ian,John, Ilford list some slightly differing times for their films in D76 compared to ID-11, some are the same. Current D76 is somewhere between the published formula for D76 and D76d with Boric acid in the buffering which isn't present in ID-11. The change is almost certainly due to the increased popularity of using it dilute.
You might try using a 1+2 dilution which is more economic, I never liked 1+3. While there's no published times I drew a graph and extrapolated to get a starting point, many years ago an ex employee wanted quite a few rolls of FP4 processed in ID-11 at that 1+2 dilution and the results were superb, it works well with Perceptol and Xtol as well. Normally I use(d) these developers replenished for commercial use ans I could be processing 10-20 films at a time, or similar numbers of sheet films.
Ian
Nope! At least not me anyway.Good god ID11,D76 HC110 Is anybody really going to think that any of these developers are going to result in bad negatives coming out the developing tank....
Which one keeps longer? I ask because, well, sometimes I use D-76 1:1 from stock that is over a year old and it still works fine.
Haaa and I always use it 1:1 instead of 1+1 (to those with eagle eyes it's only a notation difference U.S. Kodak convention to use a colon vs U.K. convention to use a + which means exactly the same thing).
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