I need a sharp normal lens for 16x20 landscapes...

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  1. Dr Croubie

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    I remember the first time I read about a 7x17 camera, I thought it was just a typo for 6x17 and recommended a 90mm.

    (unless the recommendation from the resurrector is to just get a damn-sharp small-format lens and enlarge it a la Barnack, but that takes all the fun out of ULF)
     
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    The only difference between 6x17 cm and 7x17 inch film is having the right tape rule. I recommend one made by Rubbermaid. Just stretch it to accommodate any difference between metric and English systems. It's appropriate for a fishing tackle box too.
     
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    One more potential option (although falling into the hens' teeth category) is the Zeiss 600mm f9 Apo-Germinar (one of which I have, but am not looking to sell). They're barrel mount lenses, and huge. They were originally intended for stat cameras. The solution for a lens like this is either spend the money and lose the stop of aperture to get it mounted in a Copal 3 (or spend even more and take even more time to get it put in an Ilex #5) or put it on a 9" lensboard and throw a Packard shutter behind it.
     
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    I wonder if Dan even checks his 18 month old PKM-25 threads any more?
     
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    I'd list the lenses by quality that I currently have at ~600mm that cover 12x20 and 16x20:
    By far the outstanding lense is Schneider Fine Art xxl 550mm.
    A close second is de Golden Busch 610mm
    APO-germinar 600mm
    followed by Fuji 600C (yet not an issue with softness in corners with contact printing)
    Don
     
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    I've even seen a couple very rare Fuji 600 A's come up for sale in the last few years. Those should have PLENTY of coverage.
     
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    these cameras and lenses seem to be mythic.
    i seem to remember frank p had ( and sold ) one of the 8x10 cameras
    ( it was very giant )
    and i've never actually read of someone having one of these lenses !

    thanks don, you made my day !
    john
     
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    Both a 600A and the far rarer 1200A recently sold to a lens collector in China for some obscene sum. I don't think he even uses them. One of those
    Golden Busch lenses also sold to someone recently, but probably a user. Otherwise, Doug Busch made some relatively awful big clunker cameras.
     
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    and from what i remember doug busch sold special tripods that went with his enormous cameras :smile:
     
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    Of course, he contracted those lenses out, and didn't actually make them himself. As far as those rickety big cameras were concerned, I think any
    decent cabinetmaker could have done a better job. Not exactly collectible, and even less appealing to current users who prefer something less than
    an elephant for hauling their gear around.
     
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    Happy to make your day -- I actually own two of the four that I understand he actually built (there were 4 more that I am told never made it to production). - the 610 and the 420. Both are outstanding performers. I've had a filter holder added to the front of the 610, but the 420 has a huge curved element that precludes any filters (front or rear).
    Best regards
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    don,
    you made my day again! 2 of the 4 ... :smile:
    i'm wondering if you wear a red suit with white trim too !? :wink:
    i can hear the bell jingle even though there is no clapper :smile:
    john
     
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    I dug the two de Golden Busch lenses out of the safe last night - the actual measurements are 482 and 610 (not 420-- that's a Dagor I have)
    Don
     
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    that's ok I still believe ! 8D
     
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    A pair of Schenider Fine Art XXL lenses (550 + 1100) apparently quickly sold on EBAY within the few days. Price was $25,000.00.
    So these are now legendary lens prices.........
     
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    I gave up on this awhile ago.

    I figure it is far easier to make a fine 16x20 print from a 4x5 negative that shows a refined vision, remarkable execution not to mention possibly a stunning location than lug a 16x20 around.

    The noticeable lack of powerful photographs in 16x20 or larger pretty much attest to and confirm that notion.
     
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    That is a complete brand/label/collector price.
    For a quarter of that you could get something in the same size/speed custom designed and manufactured...
     
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    Don't believe those prices. Probably a fictitious straw purchase or analogous pricing stunt. I know an outfit that can make any production lens in the world look like a mere toy by comparison. But you better have a NASA, NSA, or DEA line of credit!
     
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