I had no idea 35mm could carry that resolution!

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To the guys who were comparing Gold 200 to Reala, why would you do that? The results of Gold 200 to me is like Kodak's version of a Friday afternoon off.
If you would rather shoot some Kodak film, you've got to compare something as good as Reala to a good Kodak Neg. :smile:

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Oh I wasn't saying that Kodak don't make some great neg films, they do, it's just that sometimes Gold is the only thing you can find when you run out and you're desperate. Both Kodak and Fuji make some amazing films, films that even 15 years ago we would have drooled over the idea of.
 

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Oh I wasn't saying that Kodak don't make some great neg films, they do, it's just that sometimes Gold is the only thing you can find when you run out and you're desperate. Both Kodak and Fuji make some amazing films, films that even 15 years ago we would have drooled over the idea of.

That is why we have been provided with internet!

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It is even more suprising that top-quality large format lenses can achieve an abosute resolving power like a high-grade 35 mm lens!

Neither enlargements nor high-resolution scans can resolve (!) the actual resolution of film, but a microscope will show the limits. Modern ultra-fine grained, ultra-thin emulsion color films such as Provia 100F will capture details far beyond practical use, as single blades of grass; but with large format film, you will capture the nerves of single leaves at the same distance.

Color offset prints in books from Kodachrome 25 and 64 in the 1970s and 1980s revealed that with Leitz or Zeiss lenses, 35 mm photography delivered an image quality sufficient for double-sided illustrations in folio format. It depends on the lens, of course, but also on the film grain and the thickness of the emulsion layers.
 

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It is even more suprising that top-quality large format lenses can achieve an abosute resolving power like a high-grade 35 mm lens!

If anything, the contrary.
It is remarkable that small diameter lenses can achieve an absolute resolving power equal to that of high-grade larger lenses. And often they can not.
Not because they just are not good enough. But simply because they simply can not.

Color offset prints in books from Kodachrome 25 and 64 in the 1970s and 1980s revealed that with Leitz or Zeiss lenses, 35 mm photography delivered an image quality sufficient for double-sided illustrations in folio format. It depends on the lens, of course, but also on the film grain and the thickness of the emulsion layers.

Here we are are very close to the origin of the 35-mm-format-lenses-are-better belief.
The burden of proof was on Leitz that the tiny format they chose for the Leica could deliver sufficient quality. (And they could, as long as you did not demand the impossible, i.e. expect the same image quality larger formats deliver.)
The mere fact that their lenses had to be good to even come close to what larger formats produced with great ease, somehow has become inverted over time, now appearing as a believe that the lenses are better.
 
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The 35mm format is excellent for reversal-to-Ilfochrome printing if you adopt an holistic approach to quality from image conception to finished frame job and display. Working within its limits and using the best quality optics you can afford, I am absolutely certain people can do the same thing I am doing with 35mm, if only they adopt the discipline and drive. A lot of people think my framed 30x45cm Ilfochromes were shot with large format, but no — not ever.

I am not a fan, never have and never will be, of the reversal-to-scan and print methodology — lasers, inkjets, Pegasus or whatever they call it. Gamut loss from the reversal palette to RGB is too great and bothersome to try and correct. Only Ilfochrome will carry through the image faithfully.

Correcting some odd observations, large format lenses do have the defining edge in resolution and linear sizing for printing, but how many people actually print to the enormous Ilfochrome image sizes from large format — which is to say, getting the very, very, very best result from their investment? Here in Australia, I know of some very, very wealthy photographers who print mega-expensive panorama Ilfochromes from 6x12cm. Good on them. Way to go. The whole point of shooting reversal film, especially, on large format is lost — a travesty — if you only scan and output to inkjet, laser or whatnot, too often as an after-thought to a lot of effort. If big Ilfochromes from LF don't appeal, stick with 35mm and work within your budget and the format's boundaries.
 
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I have to entirely disagree, you can reproduce all the information on a transparency or negative with the right equipment and skill.

If E-6 films contain a larger gamut than RGB can have, then that means E-6 films contain more imaginary colours that you simply can't see than RGB, which already has a gamut larger than both what a monitor can display and human vision.

I would argue it doesn't though, as RGB and Lab contain bigger gamuts, as it's not physically possible to reproduce fictional colours in the physical world, thus there would be no such colours in a scene to be actually photographed, nor could a film reproduce those colours in it's dye layers. As it's beyond physical limitation.
 
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Xtolsniffer there is BPD Phototech in Warrington that still do Cibachromes. Photonet has a thread on it with some good and some not so good comments on its quality but that is par for any discussion site. There is bound to be somebody or bodies who was/were less than impressed.

A guy with a stall at Martinmere Wildfowl Trust near Southport has cibachromes for sale which were done by BPD and I thought they were superb.

Not cheap by comparision with scanning and RA4 but probably longer lived and a good cibachrome has no equal in looks. Not necessarily better in every case but it cannot be replicated in my opinion.

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