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I didn't take it that way
But my point is as comfort level rises, the more insular we get. That's just the nature of humans. Sheltering children too much is not a good thing.
But my point is as comfort level rises, the more insular we get. That's just the nature of humans. Sheltering children too much is not a good thing.
I tend to agree with you.
The last few decades have, at least in the UK, seen an increasingly risk-averse society. Death, and accidents are seen as chronic failures and impermissable.
This is a good thing in some ways - we no longer see for instance the same level of grotesque household and industrial injuries and consequences we used to.
But it does seem to me that by protecting people from all risk , it becomes less easy for them to acquire the skills of sensible risk assessment and avoidance, while at the same time perhaps even engendering a sense of the world in general as a dangerous place to be feared and avoided.
The last few decades have, at least in the UK, seen an increasingly risk-averse society. Death, and accidents are seen as chronic failures and impermissable.
This is a good thing in some ways - we no longer see for instance the same level of grotesque household and industrial injuries and consequences we used to.
But it does seem to me that by protecting people from all risk , it becomes less easy for them to acquire the skills of sensible risk assessment and avoidance, while at the same time perhaps even engendering a sense of the world in general as a dangerous place to be feared and avoided.
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Of course this risk-averse society is here in the US too. We always have to be entertained and satisfied. Through years of this conditioning, we are easily fearful and bored. We no longer can tolerate any danger or silence. We don't want to be responsible for ourselves because someone or something is going to keep is safe, amused, happy and satisfied or your money back 
We have accepted increased government invasion of our lives for the illusion of security. The fact that life is fragile and hazardous is being obfuscated by a smokescreen of lies and half-truths. The things those of my generation took for granted is out of reach for many children today. We grew to adulthood in a more dangerous world yet arrived alive and thriving. Why is that overlooked?
Something that causes me as much concern (and perhaps even more) as surveillance by the state is surveillance by citizens. The internet mob mentality, fed by private recording devices, is in some ways far more dangerous in terms of consequences for ordinary people, than surveillance by the state. We now live in a society in which it is very difficult to express an opinion in public that contravenes a very strict code of what is acceptable.
I don't really know what current generations means, since there is no real current generation. All this phony boomers, millenials and all the other names mean nothing.
A number of things have happened in the last 20-30 years that make it probably unlike any other time ever experienced in any age. We are under the spell and at the mercy of massive corporate power and their advertising and marketing. We have media/news that is an extension of the marketing of that power and that runs nonstop night and day. We also have a news organization that dropped the veil of neutrality and just hammers nonstop with propaganda.
We have the computer age with non stop connectivity to multiple devices that produce whatever form or entertainment and idle noise that people are addicted to and can't seem to turn off.
We have government that has been wholly taken over by corporate interests, making people feel powerless to change anything.
So the average person is so inundated with noise, sensationalism, fear mongering, outrage, and consumerism that it takes a massive amount of will power to shut it all off. People are in constant state of fear, for themselves and their children, have perpetual body insecurities, hypochondria and feel so powerlessness that they have essentially become drones.
I really don't think this has ever happened before. The corporate machine is eating then 24/7 and spitting them out.
What we have is mass burnout. Instead of making our homes more "connected", we should actually treat our homes as a sanctuary and "disconnect" them from the noise.
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I think this constitutes some excellent observations. We are aggressively bombarded all of our waking hours by cr@p exhorting us to want something -- Zeus forbid we should be satisfied with what we have! I didn't see much of this attitude in my parents' (b 1904 & 1910) generation -- perhaps it was just them, combined with less invasive media -- or perhaps it was going through their young adulthood during the "Great Depression." I've noticed lately after perhaps an APUGger has posted a question "will this work to do ..." with a link to some ad on Amazon or ePrey, after I've clicked on it to see what the person is talking about, future visits to "free" sites like Bike Forums or Weather.com jump up and down flashing ads down the side for exactly the item I looked at; ditto if I look at a clothing item on the LL Bean site. On Facebook I get panels in my newsfeed with some ePrey item I looked at the day before showing, along with "Are you still interested?" Hah, and we're worried about gubmint being big brother! It seems to me (no youngster myself) that the constant stream of ads is becoming increasingly intense.
We who actually shoot some film and process it are pretty much outliers, as, I think, are people who make things. Instant gratification seems to be the #1 priority by a large margin.
Ah, but it helps channel bunches of our assets to the 1%!!!
Yeah, I know, welcome to becoming a bitter old man!
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Couldn't agree more.
I agree with most of this. All, if "news organization" can include all sides.
What I'm curious about is whether it's mainly in the USA or if this is a worldwide issue? My husband has mentioned a few times that he'd easily consider moving out of the USA and I think it's mostly because of all the things Blansky mentioned. But if it's the same everywhere or getting to be the same, then what?
And I grew up in the 70s in a small town (5000 people or so in a mostly rural area). In the summer, we played outside and pretty much went where we wanted. There wasn't anything on TV to watch if we'd even wanted to. You had to make your own fun, which we did. I don't think there's a tree on public space in Little Falls that Michelle and I didn't try to climb. And, um, the roof of the public library.
Never broke a bone and we were fearless. I'm hoping Nate will be mostly the same, though not quite as fearless (hey, whadda you want, I'm the mom).No point coming to the UK, Bethe, if you're looking for something different.
Government is now - whichever party is in power - simply there to execute policies that are in the best interests of large corporations, as defined by their lobbyists.
It's not quite as blatant as in the states, but certainly as prevalent and poisonous to the public good
Government is now - whichever party is in power - simply there to execute policies that are in the best interests of large corporations, as defined by their lobbyists.
It's not quite as blatant as in the states, but certainly as prevalent and poisonous to the public good
Because it means nothing to you doesn't negate the fact there are age groups that are defined by the decisions they make collectively that define them as a group.
Civil rights in the USA for example. It wasn't so long ago a black person could not eat where they wished here in the USA. It was a conscious decision to make such things illegal marking it as a landmark societal change by an age group. It is not something their parents wished to tackle or even change.
Generation as defined by the Oxford Dictionary.
There was never any such thing as a neutral press until some time in the early 20th century. Where the idea even came from is a mystery. They are now only reverting to what they had always been since Gutenberg started melting lead - mouthpieces for a political group, rich guy, government or other somesuch. They just have better tools now.
I get the generational thing, but the constant blaming of one group over another is just noise. There is essentially a new generation every 20 years, and if we live to be 75 or so, that means we have 3-4 generations participating at any one time. Add to that the "greatest generation" nonsense perpetuated by an ex-newsreader trying to sell a book, is just more noise.
Every generation, and multiple generations at one time are going to have challenges, that come about from war, natural disasters, economic issues as well as social and political changes.
Calling one generation slackers, and another greedy, does nothing but pit people against each other instead of focusing the problems where they actually originate from.
And that problem today is corporations and their sociopathic behavior, and the people who allowed the leash to be taken off them.
This thread has become very political, especially blansky's anti-capitalistic rant blaming big corporations and "one news sight" (pretty obvious who is being referenced) for all of today's ills. Even though I chuckled when his post says not to make a broad-brush stereotype and then immediately follows up with a broad brush stereotype
While it's a rather naive notion easily dismissed as political claptrap, I thought political discussion was taboo outside of the lounge?
When speaking of police-run surveillance security cameras like those installed in NYC for example, your assumption that images disappear into the nether is invalid.
http://money.cnn.com/2014/09/16/technology/security/fbi-facial-recognition/
While it's a rather naive notion easily dismissed as political claptrap, I thought political discussion was taboo outside of the lounge?
When speaking of police-run surveillance security cameras like those installed in NYC for example, your assumption that images disappear into the nether is invalid.
http://money.cnn.com/2014/09/16/technology/security/fbi-facial-recognition/
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This thread has become very political, especially blansky's anti-capitalistic rant blaming big corporations and "one news sight" (pretty obvious who is being referenced) for all of today's ills. Even though I chuckled when his post says not to make a broad-brush stereotype and then immediately follows up with a broad brush stereotype
While it's a rather naive notion easily dismissed as political claptrap, I thought political discussion was taboo outside of the lounge?
And IMO you use a broad brush in the following statement:
IMO your statement here paints the police as somehow: more trustworthy than the population of people they were recruited from; that their selection, direction & management is somehow immaculate & apolitical; and that they are always on the right side.
I believe that to be an utterly false assumption.
I believe that there are probably just as many wackos (as a %) in the police department as there are in the general population.
Today it's smart phones and the Internet are ruining the new generation. For me born in 1963 it was television. My father said for him it was comic books. Everyone ranted and raved that comic books were wasting kid's time and rotting their brains.
Well when a 30 year old man can neither sew a button nor change a flat tire something is amiss. All he can do is call someone on the cell phone. I find that common these days. The sad part is he calls his girlfriend who does it for him. Don't get me wrong good for her being self sufficient but I find it sad he cannot. I'm describing someone I know and he's far from a minority.
I once rented a room to a couple. One day I hear a lot of rustling and banging in the kitchen. I went in and asked "what are you looking for?" He answered "the 2/3 cup measuring cup" When I answered "why don't you use the 1/3 twice?" His answer was "you can do that?" Common sense is an endangered species. But they can set the time on a VCR.
In closing when websites like thishttp://www.artofmanliness.com/ thrive it makes one curious as to what happened to parents?
While I'm no intellectual giant I often feel I'm surrounded by stupidity.
I once rented a room to a couple. One day I hear a lot of rustling and banging in the kitchen. I went in and asked "what are you looking for?" He answered "the 2/3 cup measuring cup" When I answered "why don't you use the 1/3 twice?" His answer was "you can do that?" Common sense is an endangered species. But they can set the time on a VCR.
In closing when websites like thishttp://www.artofmanliness.com/ thrive it makes one curious as to what happened to parents?
While I'm no intellectual giant I often feel I'm surrounded by stupidity.
Well when a 30 year old man can neither sew a button nor change a flat tire something is amiss. All he can do is call someone on the cell phone. I find that common these days. The sad part is he calls his girlfriend who does it for him. Don't get me wrong good for her being self sufficient but I find it sad he cannot. I'm describing someone I know and he's far from a minority.
I once rented a room to a couple. One day I hear a lot of rustling and banging in the kitchen. I went in and asked "what are you looking for?" He answered "the 2/3 cup measuring cup" When I answered "why don't you use the 1/3 twice?" His answer was "you can do that?" Common sense is an endangered species. But they can set the time on a VCR.
In closing when websites like thishttp://www.artofmanliness.com/ thrive it makes one curious as to what happened to parents?
While I'm no intellectual giant I often feel I'm surrounded by stupidity.
I hear ya. While I can do all those things I cannot shoe a horse or skin an animal much to the chagrin of a generation a couple before me.
Reminds me of this scene from A Few Dollars More...
http://youtu.be/hgFTKuWWYhQ
To blame big business is just silly. Why do you give them all that personal information and allow them to track you where you are and what you buy and who you know etc. You're the one who signed up for Facebook, google, etc. But that's not the main issue because you can always shut them off. And they have no police power. They can't put you in jail or take your money. It's the government that is the real intruder and danger. It's the one that tracks your history, watches where you are and can ruin your life. It's the one that can bankrupt you and take your freedom away. This photographer wasn't threatened by business. It was the government police department that searched him and his private property. And if some prosecutor looking to make a name for himself decided that one of the pictures was "child pornography" this poor guy could face a trial and jail. And frankly, I blame ourselves. We're the ones that complain and demand the government "protect" us. We seem to be willing to seek security at the risk of losing our freedoms.
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