How to open a bag of Ilford papers

[AgX]

Well, one can discuss which basic type of process was better, the Agfacolor or the Ektachrome as the two proceses typically were designated (PE always was in favour of the latter), as they were based on different emulsion techniques. In addition, having proprietary processes was a marketing factor, it could guarantee a manufacturer to see his films back in his own labs and thus make profit there too. But over time the idea of generic processes prevailed, and consumers in more fast living times likely found it attractive to be able to give their films to any lab. Agfa nevertheless were one of the very last worldwide to jump on the Kodak train.

 

[gdavis]

Saw, no seesaw. Iphone keyboard

Man, I was with you up until now, but you just demonstrated Donald's point New "normal" indeed

 

[Kodachromeguy]

one flip.
One flip of the bag.
One flip is all it takes to understand how it opens.

i’m not ready to call it rocket science.

It IS rocket science to this seller. I emailed him and told him that the paper was ruined, but he has not removed the listing. No wonder ePrey and ScamBay are popular names for this site.

 

[AgX]

Is there not a double-standard here??

A seller opening a pack like that and offering it is typicaly denounced at Apug as an idiot, but the potential buyer has to be protected by trying to make the seller retract such item. But wouldn't then the buyer not be the same type of idiot to that standard...?

 

[ColdEye]

Its reduced now to $20, time to grab such a deal.

 

[Donald Qualls]

A little Farmer's Reducer or C-41 Blix and you'd have gelatin coated paper, useful for some alt processes. Not sure I'd want to pay 40 cents a sheet for that, though; I could buy art paper and Knox gelatin for a lot less...

 

[abruzzi]

The whole darkroom concept is enigmatic to many.

An amusing, related anecdote is there were a lot of fans of the Netflix series "Stranger Things" wondering what the "red room" was and what was the significance of the color.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-...ger-things-red-room-is-confusing-younger-fans

 

[AgX]

To be fair, the typical Apugger likely was puzzled by a room too... remember "White Room" by Cream?

 

[Agulliver]

I certainly have had difficulty explaining light sensitive material to young people who have never had any experience of film - people under 20. The very concept that a material is coated with chemicals which are permanently changed by light is alien. "photo paper" is something put into an inkjet printer. Some people under 20 have never seen film used, and aren't athe ware of it. I once spent pages on Facebook explaining that super 8 is celluloid film only to find that the person I was conversing with had no concept outside of 8mm and hi8 video tape. I gave up. A friend's 10 year old son was quite fascinated with my 1937 Zeiss-Ikon 6x6 folder but couldn't understand why I was unable to show him the photos for a few days, or open the camera to show him the film. Myself and his mum tried to explain but he literally had no concept of a light sensitive material.

Thad said, before lockdown I saw more teenagers and young adults out with film cameras than any time in the last 20 years. At least one other film shooter has been out in the local fields.

 

[grain elevator]

Right, 10 year olds with no concept of light sensitive materials, what has the world come to!
Of course people have less experience with these things nowadays, you wouldn't be able to introduce something to the market today where the user can mess up so easily, consumers are no longer used to that. OTOH they do drive cars, handle gasoline, drain cleaner and in some places, firearms... has got to make you think. But to be fair, we just witness more idiocy through the internet nowadays. In the good old film days, there were also those who checked how much film they still had by opening the film door, closed it again and happily kept snapping away... everyone here must have at least heard one of those stories, no?

 

[foc]

In the good old film days, there were also those who checked how much film they still had by opening the film door, closed it again and happily kept snapping away... everyone here must have at least heard one of those stories, no?

I heard loads of those stories, direct from the customer's mouth, with the caveat "I only opened it a little bit / it was in the shade / it was darkish and I didn't turn the lights on"
To a non photographic person, what these people did was normal and felt correct.
"Is my film winding on? Wait a minute I'll have a look" and then opened the camera to do just that.
I once tried to explain that the film is ruined by opening the door of the camera but the customer insisted that the picture they had taken was on the film already and how could opening the camera door erase that photo???

Remember George Eastman said "your press the button, we do the rest" and he was right. Most people don't want to know or couldn't care less how or what goes on with their film.
They just want their photos (memories)
It is a few nuts like myself, that are interested in what happens to the film, how it is developed, pre-wash or not, which is better, D76 or ID11, a squeegee is a godsend or the devil's spawn..................................................

 

[Kodachromeguy]

Update, here is my chance!! I just received this message:
"Because you viewed this item, here’s a special offer.
A few other interested buyers also received this offer – it won’t last long. Hurry and take advantage right away."
$18.

Too good to resist, right? I wonder when that scumbag will give up?