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While no one will ever confuse me as a professional photographer I have sold more then a couple of my prints. My key has been to make friends with local small merchants and offering them a deal. This works well with boutiques. I hang my artwork in their store, they handle the transaction, and I cut them in on a percentage of the sale. I did this a lot when I was younger and hope to go back to it now that I am an empty nester and have the time to dedicate to my art again.

A couple of things that seemed to work.

#1 listen to the store owner when they suggest what type of prints to hang. They know their clients and can tell you if a nature shot of a waterfall is going to appeal to them more then macros of insects for instance.

#2 take their suggestions as assignments. In my mind nothing improves your eye as much as trying to creatively capture an image to spec. My Army days were full of shooting really boring things like, men marching, motor pools, and barracks. Once I started getting creative doing it I was always getting calls from different units to cover their events or posts. So if that store owner tells you her clients will like rolling meadows, go shoot some till you get a real keeper ( seller ).

#3 Shoot for color. Many times a person will walk into a store and see a red, or yellow, or blue photograph, doesn't matter as much what the details of the scene are, but rather the "color" will work in a specific room. I tend to do this a lot with macro work and people seem to like it.

#4 Shoot local interest, again if a picture of your local library, or firehouse, or lake is there and priced right that impulse buy is a great thing.

#5 Number your work. People love buying a limited edition piece. I would print up a couple of prints of various sizes and number them 1 of 20, 2 of 20, etc. I allows you to print a few more should you get a good seller while adding an air of exclusivity to them.

#6 Finally price for an impulse buy. I have not done the work to figure out what it costs to do a wet print these days, but you need to have prints that are affordable. I have hung a framed print on the wall in 11x16 and then also given the store owner a couple of smaller prints matted and in a plastic bag. I usually will price at a number with 8s in it. 18.95, 28.50, etc ( It's a good luck thing ).

After all of that, keep your day job and hope for the best,
Harry
 
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ted_smith said:
I like the idea suggested by several of selling some prints at a flea marker or 'car boot sale'...... :smile:

Haven't read all the posts here,but let me pass these ideas on to you:Hospitals,craft shows,resturants,doctor/dental offices,pubs,libraries.You may not get rich but you can certainly make a name locally if you're skilled.Best of luck!
 

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It's easy, get a sponsor to support your artist lifestyle. Or get a part time job to minimally live and eat then live the life of a starving artist.

Assuming you want to to totally commit yourself to being a landscape photographer. In the United States there is little hope for anyone below the poverty line and in this country it takes a good amount of money just to live, food, shelter, medical, dental, insurances if you have a car, which is needed due to the vast areas landscape photographers need to travel to, and money for gasoline and emergencies and repairs. Some of those conditions probably don't exist for you in the UK but I image most apply without the medical / dental, I'm not sure what's provided. You can't have any large debts or any distractions that would interfere with your round the clock work.

If you only want to do it part time as a "breaking into" kinda of thing then approach it with the same commitment as a professional; business and art.

It would require that you are supported completely, by yourself or another, and have all of your time free to do your art without interference to your artist intent. It's a tough bill but realistically that's what it is all about.

"Millions must plough and forge and dig in order that a few thousand may write and paint and study." H.G. Von Treitschke
 
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Sounds like an Ed Weston gig

It's easy, get a sponsor to support your artist lifestyle. Or get a part time job to minimally live and eat then live the life of a starving artist.

In the United States there is little hope for anyone below the poverty line and in this country it takes a good amount of money just to live, food, shelter, medical, dental, insurances if you have a car, which is needed due to the vast areas landscape photographers need to travel to, and money for gasoline and emergencies and repairs. You can't have any large debts or any distractions that would interfere with your round the clock work.

It would require that you are supported completely, by yourself or another, and have all of your time free to do your art without interference to your artist intent. It's a tough bill but realistically that's what it is all about.

"Millions must plough and forge and dig in order that a few thousand may write and paint and study." H.G. Von Treitschke

I think Ed Weston did something similar with Charis Wilson during the 30s.
 

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It would be great if a landscape photographer could make a living just shooting and selling prints. First off, you'll have to do promoting like other APUGers suggest to build your reputation. Once you have a reputation, you'll probably have to teach via workshops, a faculty position at a university or at a college. Other sources of income are stock sales and commercial work. I went to a talk by Michael Kenna and was inspired by his work. I saw some of his work at the Wirtz gallery in San Francisco and saw his 8x10 prints for sale at $600 each. Minus the gallery commission, he'll probably get get $300 at best. He also does commercial jobs. Here's Mr. Kenna's site.

http://www.michaelkenna.net/

Stephen Wirtz site: http://www.wirtzgallery.com/main.html

Good luck!
Don

You'll be glad to know that Michael Kenna makes a lot more than $300 per print. His prints, which are all approximately 8x8 inches, sell for between $2,000 and $7,500, depending on which number in the edition they are. And he regularly sells out editions of certain prints in each show. Besides prints, his landscape work sells through books and calendars and I believe digital image licensing. Michael Kenna is in fact a highly successful photographer.

And let's think about it. He shoots a Hasselblad, which many "experts" would say wouldn't be adequate for serious landscape work. He prints everything 8x8 inches, which many of those same experts would say is too small for landscape work. He uses black and white film. His printing style is very personal and stylized. He probably is the perfect example of how to earn a living from photography. He believed in himself, and he went his own way.

-Laura
 

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With all due respect to the O.P. Laura, I haven't seen his landscape work, but I very much doubt if he is in the same league as Michael Kenna.
 
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There's one or two false impressions in danger of being created here. The problem with Michael Kenna's economic model is not that he's going to struggle to make ends meet on it but that its kind of hard to replicate.

His prints start at $1000 and go up steeply with progress through an edition. Lets say he averages $2000 and gets half of that himself, or $1000. Now at that level or approximately that level how many prints does he need to sell in a year to make what we'd all call a pretty decent living? Bear in mind that he'll have travel costs and ( probably) staff costs to consider. So how many- maybe 500?

Now in each of the last several years Michael Kenna has averaged 14 solo shows in top-end galleries. He also averages about 8 joint shows and has 14 galleries representing his work, which I'd imagine means that he's available year -round there. Do you think that the sum of that might add to 500? I do. Then there's the books and the odd bit of commercial work.

So sure you can make a living as a landscape photographer- he's doing it and I have no doubt there's a few others doing just fine as well. The question is, how much of a gamble do you want to take? On the one hand there's a chance of fame and maybe fortune. On the other there's failing to cover your mortgage and health insurance. If you look at earnings in any profession you'll find there's a hugely disproportionate amount at the bottom as against the top.

So here's the thing as I see it. Either you've got the money to support yourself from other sources whilst you give it a go, or you need to keep a day job until you find out whether you're going to be Michael Kenna or (more likely) not. Either way its likely you'll have to piece together your income, large or small from a variety of sources, since as has been covered here the probability of simply swanning round the world whilst covering the costs and making a living via print sales would require a great deal of luck. For most people its a question of mixing up stock sales, print sales, the odd paid lecture, maybe some magazine articles (helps if you can write too) a few commercial jobs here and there, maybe a book, and not knowing at the beginning of a year how your income is going to pan out and what paths you're going to need to follow to be OK. For most people, they need to be pretty pragmatic and prepared to scrabble around in different areas to make things work.
 

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Indeed one can make a living from landscape photography. Though I can tell you getting there is a full time position in itself. Whilst I make some income from workshops and photography courses etc, the majority of my income comes from my landscape photography. You must not underestimate how much marketing is required to get there, only a small portion of time is spent taking photos.
 
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Hi Ted. I work at a university art department. All of the art faculty at UCD teach to support their art. Doing just your art for a living is tough. I asked my photo professor about the same thing 30 year had she said it was tough. Hone your craft, get a day and possibly teach.
 

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How to create a small fortune with Landscape Photography:

Start with a large one.
 
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Sounds like the wine biz.
 

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How to create a small fortune with Landscape Photography:

Start with a large one.

I'm not sure if you're referring to the many grand vistas of Great Britain, but if so, it's a good point. Considering how many landscape photographers there are to each county (I won't make the rat analogy, but search 'Derbyshire landscape photographer' for example) and how many 'views' each county affords, it seems to me that those who are really successful have found a niche within a niche. Or simply, you have to better everyone else and beat them to the sunrise.

I really don't think it's possible to make a living from it unless you're leading several workshops a week - an inevitability of the job it would seem. This is how Joe Cornish and David Ward make part of their living and they're selling more prints than anyone else, as well as publishing books. But from the great amount of time I've spent looking at landscape work, I've come to the conclusion that it's more business than simply being at one with the elements.
 
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it seems to me that those who are really successful have found a niche within a niche. Or simply, you have to better everyone else and beat them to the sunrise.

Dominating a niche by producing top work within this unique niche is in my personal experience the number one way to make it in any area of photography in this day and age.

Once you think your work in this niche is good enough, get out of the mutual praise circles of sites like this and Flickr and get real portfolio reviews from highly regarded photographers who's work you admire. Nine out of ten aspiring photographers fail at turning the craft into a viable business because they fail to find a unique niche, vastly underestimate how much work is involved and quite often overestimate how good their work is mostly due to lack of critical review and instead rely on the endless showers of empty praise on Flickr.

There will be more Michael Kenna's in the world in going forward, but the manifestation of this level of success can not live in your head alone or even among your peers on APUG.....somehow everyone in line at an "American Idol" audition seems to think that they are the next one.....but only one wins.

Those are your odds right there....
 

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I realise there are pros and cons to every job, and a landscape photographer who earns his living from such a role no doubt wishes he was in a warm office or something when it's -5 degrees at 04:00 while he waits for the morning light, amidst other cons, I am sure.

However, are there many of us here who earn a living from landscape photography? If so, what does your average month entail? How many times are you out and about, and how much time do you spend marketting your pictures, and how do you do that?

Over the years, I keep sitting at my desk at work and wishing I instead earnt my living from photography where my success and failure relied entirely on my own abilities (or lack of) rather than because the boss likes or dislikes me - especially landscape photography as there's nothing better than being out in the open, wrapped up with your flask and lunch box waiting for the time to press the shutter (though if I can get properly trained at wedding photography, maybe that, as I have really enjoyed the first two I've done and people say I am a good "people person"). I know that the reality is that I probably couldn't earn a living from landscpaes, but I know there are a lucky few who do via gallery style stuff, calendars, books etc. How do they do it?

Be Ansel Adams, be born over 100 years ago, work hard and don't expect to earn much money until 10 or 20 years before you check out. Otherwise forgetaboutit.
 

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If there is such a thing as reincarnation the last thing I would want to come back as is a professional photographer, landscape or otherwise, I would rather be a professional plumber, because at the prices they charge they must earn more than than an average surgeon, or dentist.
 

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If there is such a thing as reincarnation the last thing I would want to come back as is a professional photographer, landscape or otherwise, I would rather be a professional plumber, because at the prices they charge they must earn more than than an average surgeon, or dentist.

Guess you don't know enough happy and very successful photographers then...:smile:
 

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If there is such a thing as reincarnation the last thing I would want to come back as is a professional photographer, landscape or otherwise, I would rather be a professional plumber, because at the prices they charge they must earn more than than an average surgeon, or dentist.

If there is such a thing as reincarnation I would rather come back as independently wealthy instead of being so incredibly handsome and humble as I am now. Besides some of the crap that comes out of my mouth when I am humble, I can hardly put up with it.
 
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My old posts keep getting bumped, for some reason?! This is the second one from over 3 years ago in less than a week.

It was nearly 3 years ago that I posted this little pearler. Glad to see it has attracted so much interest though. But yeah, since posting I came to a very significant reality - it's far nicer doing landscape photography for fun and the serene peace one obtains whilst doing it under those conditions instead of "If I get there for 05:30 I might just make it to the top of the hill and catch the sunrise and make a print I can sell for £100"....not for me, not anymore. If one or two of my prints happen to sell as a side-effect, then great. But I'm not actively trying to market like that. I enjoy far more just doing photography.
 
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If there is such a thing as reincarnation the last thing I would want to come back as is a professional photographer, landscape or otherwise, I would rather be a professional plumber, because at the prices they charge they must earn more than than an average surgeon, or dentist.

Being a professional photographer is all well and good, but in the greater cosmic order of things when the toilet starts flushing again EVERYBODY gets a smile on their face...

:smile:

Ken
 

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My old posts keep getting bumped, for some reason?! This is the second one from over 3 years ago in less than a week.

It was nearly 3 years ago that I posted this little pearler. Glad to see it has attracted so much interest though. But yeah, since posting I came to a very significant reality - it's far nicer doing landscape photography for fun and the serene peace one obtains whilst doing it under those conditions instead of "If I get there for 05:30 I might just make it to the top of the hill and catch the sunrise and make a print I can sell for £100"....not for me, not anymore. If one or two of my prints happen to sell as a side-effect, then great. But I'm not actively trying to market like that. I enjoy far more just doing photography.

Ya, we've had a large influx of new members, so older threads are being churned up as they go through the site.
 
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Indeed one can make a living from landscape photography. Though I can tell you getting there is a full time position in itself.

Welcome, Destin! You have some lovely photographs on your site. Yes, you're right, any business is required to be run as a business, which of course means advertising. You can't stay in business long giving money away! :wink:
 

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Welcome, Destin! You have some lovely photographs on your site. Yes, you're right, any business is required to be run as a business, which of course means advertising. You can't stay in business long giving money away! :wink:

Yes, welcome!

Brian is exactly right. Even commercial photography, where one has better, although still long odds, of doing well financially, is dominated by shrewd businessmen who happen to be photographers. Myself, I was a photographer first, and had to learn several things the hard way, first, I had to learn the business part, and then, finally, I learned the thing that put me over the hump, which is to be able to firmly yet kindly utter the magic word, "No".

If I hadn't learned that word, I would quite seriously work seven days a week year in and year out for almost no money.
 
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