How to deal with photography deniers?

[eddie]

Who cares who agrees ...
or disagrees?

I agree with this statement.

No one owes anyone else an explanation regarding their choices. When I'm asked why I shoot film, I just say, "because I like it". It's usually enough. When it isn't, and I'm told of the amazing things the other person is doing with their camera, I usually say, "I'm glad you're enjoying photography. It's fun, isn't it?" I expect these responses would work well the other way around, too.

 

[Arklatexian]

Three months? I found it to take much less time.



Not really. After many years in the darkroom I still am learning better methods and techniques. That is why I go to workshops I have not even touched carbon prints, platinum paladium, color tinting, and emultions making.

After we finish trashing Digital and Film, when can we start trashing photography using cell phones which seems to be what is now taking over from the other two? Will it cause Digital cameras to go down in price like Digital did to Analog?.....Just Wondering!.....Regards!

 

[Europan]

Cellular telephones are a plague themselves. Humanity has turned into a herd of half debiles walking head down. What would we want to see photography connected to that?

 

[firemachine69]

After we finish trashing Digital and Film, when can we start trashing photography using cell phones which seems to be what is now taking over from the other two? Will it cause Digital cameras to go down in price like Digital did to Analog?.....Just Wondering!.....Regards!

The answer is a resounding "yes".

Only that the three major manufacturers are a little too stubborn to admit it yet.

You cannot NOT expect to spend hundreds of millions on a sole sensor, and not end up with decent results.

 

[Berkeley Mike]

Cell phones are the Brownies of our day. Remarkable cameras. Our challenge is the nearly infinite spread of vapid vision and purposing.

 

[removed account4]

thankfully this hasn't turned into a food fight yet!
im glad there are cellphone cameras, i think they are a lot of fun
im glad there are digital cameras and scanners and film and paper and chemistry ..

i never get why people get in other people's faces for just making photographs -
whether it is a chemical photography lover / image maker or an electronic one.
too much chest thumping posturing and jerkiness.. i just wish people could figure out
the extreme and almost unknown art of editing !

 

[Berkeley Mike]

i just wish people could figure out
the extreme and almost unknown art of editing !

WORD!!!

 

[Sirius Glass]

QUOTE="Europan, post: 2203665, member: 33418"]Cellular telephones are a plague themselves. Humanity has turned into a herd of half debiles walking head down. What would we want to see photography connected to that?[/QUOTE]

Cell phones are the Brownies of our day. Remarkable cameras. Our challenge is the nearly infinite spread of vapid vision and purposing.

There are two interesting things about cell phone cameras:

• Cell phone improve the gene pool when truly stupid people take a blind step back while taking a selfie. Darwin Effect
  
• Cell phones are the Brownie cameras of today. Lousy box camera photographs paid for the R&D of modern films.

 

[Berkeley Mike]

And, until the very end of the film boom, the joy of snapshooting kept film afloat.

 

[jtk]

Just say no. Applies to all photography.

 

[BradS]

And, until the very end of the film boom, the joy of snapshooting kept film afloat.

I think that maybe movie studios might have also contributed.

 

[BradS]

I had a refreshing experience this weekend. I was out for coffee and, more importantly, free Wi-Fi internet. I was carrying the Nikon F2. A guy seated nearby leaned over and asked, "is that a Nikon F2"? We talked about cameras and photographic interests. Finally, I had to break away...my coffee and almond croissant were getting cold!

 

[Adrian Bacon]

I often go out with a 35mm SLR around my neck. By now I am well accustomed to complete strangers asking all manner of questions...as I'm sure all of you are too...
"Is that a film Camera?"
"Can you still get film for that?"
"Is that a black and white camera?" ---- yes, people really ask me this.
"Why don't you go digital?"

I occasionally get the devout digital imager that, essentially, informs me that they went digital, I should too, I'm dumb if don't ...but this doesn't really seem to happen too much any more.

This past weekend I experienced a new one...I was out in the woods and a digital imager confronted me. He asserted (wasn't asking but telling ) that...
"You cannot get film for that anymore."
"You cannot get it processed anymore."

I was just so blown away, I didn't even know what to say....I just shrugged my shoulders and said, "good to know. Thanks." and walked away.

When I'm out and about, the most common thing I encounter is "Is that a film camera?" followed up with (usually) "Kodak is still in business?" and then "where do you even get that processed?" and then sometimes "I switched to digital a while ago, it's just easier" or something like that. I've not encountered anybody who took it upon themselves to tell me that I can't shoot film because it's not available any more, but I have encountered a handful of people who take it upon themselves to try to convince me that digital is superior to film. I assume that they're relatively ignorant of the pros and cons of each and respond appropriately. Every once in a while I'll get somebody who genuinely wants to have a conversation about film or photography in general, and those are pretty enjoyable conversations.

 

[Sirius Glass]

When I'm out and about, the most common thing I encounter is "Is that a film camera?" followed up with (usually) "Kodak is still in business?" and then "where do you even get that processed?" and then sometimes "I switched to digital a while ago, it's just easier" or something like that. I've not encountered anybody who took it upon themselves to tell me that I can't shoot film because it's not available any more, but I have encountered a handful of people who take it upon themselves to try to convince me that digital is superior to film. I assume that they're relatively ignorant of the pros and cons of each and respond appropriately. Every once in a while I'll get somebody who genuinely wants to have a conversation about film or photography in general, and those are pretty enjoyable conversations.

The days of telling film photographers that film in not available, Kodak is out of business, they should switch to digital, ... are over. Now replaced by curiosity and sometimes genuine interest.

 

[jtk]

Because my interests are intellectual, artistic, and athletic-outdoor (archery, hiking etc) I rarely meet people who talk about cameras.

Talking about cameras is like talking about kitchen appliances.

 

[Berkeley Mike]

Geez, guys, when someone comments it is just small talk, not the end of the world. Photographers are terrible at letting info just go.

 

[Sirius Glass]

Geez, guys, when someone comments it is just small talk, not the end of the world. Photographers are terrible at letting info just go.

It is very obvious that in the past you have not experienced the years of verbal comments and abuse from digital users both in person and on the internet. Maybe you should be more understanding of the experiences that other have had.

 

[removed account4]

I was out yesterday and I didn't get any deniers but some smiles and thumbs up. One guy was like " DUUDE aren't you gonna take MY PHOTO?!" I was rewinding the film and opened the back and said " Dang memory card is full" he let out a big laugh.

 

[Berkeley Mike]

It is very obvious that in the past you have not experienced the years of verbal comments and abuse from digital users both in person and on the internet. Maybe you should be more understanding of the experiences that other have had.

Nah, I just handle people differently. Maybe it is the trend to thinner skin that people seem to have these days. Trolls and jerks are just that and not worth worrying about.

 

[Berkeley Mike]

I think that maybe movie studios might have also contributed.

In 2002 film use was up to about a billion rolls a year. In 2005 a friend spoke to a Kodak rep who said that 98% of the film used was by Mom, Dad, Bus, Sis and Aunt Betty. The rest was pros and industry types.

 

[jvo]

Geez, guys, when someone comments it is just small talk, not the end of the world. Photographers are terrible at letting info just go.

nah, just a sign of the times and contentiousness

 

[Luckless]

In 2002 film use was up to about a billion rolls a year. In 2005 a friend spoke to a Kodak rep who said that 98% of the film used was by Mom, Dad, Bus, Sis and Aunt Betty. The rest was pros and industry types.

Napkin math, but "A billion rolls of film" is what? Around 200,000-250,000 movie prints, give or take?

 

[Berkeley Mike]

Can't ignore a figure like that!

 

[BradS]

...a billion rolls of film per year in 2002...and the industry was well in decline by then. It's a kinda mind boggling figure.
I wonder what sales volumes were during the peak years. How many rolls of film were sold in, say 1981?

a billion... unfortunately there might not have been even $0.50 per roll of profit for the producers - which would make it a pretty small business for the likes of Fuji and Kodak.

 

[MattKing]

The information that I have, which came from a source I would consider to be very reliable, is that at its peak, Kodak was manufacturing "70 master stockrolls of Kodacolor…each and every day – enough to make nearly 3.4 million spools each day".
And that was just Kodacolor.