How reliable are variable ND filters?

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Right. I guess what I mean is you only run into problems when you max out the 10 stop fader. I’m wondering if the same problems would arise if you maxed out a 5 stop since that’s the higher end of its abilities. Or does it only occur with extremely with extremely wide ranges?
 

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This is an awful lot of trouble just to avoid stopping down a lens.
 

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I can only share my experience. I shoot with a Speed Graphic and an Aero Ektar Lens. The whole point of the set up is to shoot wide open and get very shallow dof. I started by using screw on single nd filters. As I kept using them I decided that wearing out the threads on either the lens or the expensive lens shade I had made was going to get very expensive to repair. Also, to compose a shot, I had to unscrew the filter because it was too dark to focus. I also was finding that to maintain wide open, I often needed 1/2 stop in between full stop values. So I did a bunch of research & went out and bought a mid-expensive Variable ND so I could dial in any amount of stops needed. The biggest problems I came across were the fact that the filter is not marked in stops. This makes it difficult to maintain consistency. Taping it became a pain, too. It also had to be removed to focus and compose. It was also useless at the very low&high end of densities because of the artifacts. They are inherently part of the compromise involved in using that design to make variable ND filters. $200 wasted. I ended up buying a matte box that flips up and holds 100mm square filters. It’s the same old story - a purpose built item is almost always superior to a “do it all” item. They involve compromise(s) that an item built for one function does not.
Yes, good 100mm square filters are expensive. I can see buying mid-expensive filters, but I can’t justify the expensive ones - which are usually 2x the price. I see a difference from the variable nd images to the single density 100mm filters. It is noticeable to my eyes. That’s been my experience. The variable nd seems most valuable to video shooters. For thinks like maintaining aperture when shooting from a dark room to walking out in the sun. The variable nd can be dialed in as needed on the fly.
 

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The answer on how to prevent thread wear is simple and inexpensive: put a slip-on or screw on series filter adapter, then unscrew the adapter ring to put in, remove or swap the ND series filters. Series filters are dirt cheap for years now.
 

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Smart idea. I had forgotten all about series filters. I used to use series 9 filters on my Century Precision Optics Tele Athenar Lens. This was back in the days before the modern, fast telephoto. The surf Photographers in Hawaii used to use those lenses. They were originally motion picture lenses if I am not mistaken.
For my purpose, the flip up option on The 20th Century Camera Matte Box is perfect.
Thank you Sirius.
 
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Got the Tiffen 3 stop fixed today. Turns out I can see nearly perfectly enough through it in late afternoon light to focus through the WLF, so brighter daylight shouldn’t be a problem!
 

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Concerning the variable version:

Instead of buying such, one can just stack two generic polarizers. Not as neat in handling due to both panes being rotatable.
With a bit more effort one can take (if the diameter should fit) one polarizer pane out of its rotatable mount and put into a static one onto which the rotatable polarizer is screwed.

In theoretical ideal case both filter panes should be of same make.
 

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Thanks guys. This was a good exchange and helped me.

I am working with a ULF camera and a barrel lens that only stops down to f/32. My Packard Shutter run at about 1/15 seconds. I am currently using HP5+ at an exposure index of 200 seems to work pretty well.

In early morning and late evening I have no problems but during the day I have trouble. I decided that an ND Filter was exactly what I needed but when I went to BHPhoto to pick one up I was shown these Variable ND Filters at a cost of $200 or so. They are tempting but I figured I better check into things a bit further. As usual this forum was able to get me information on both sides and it helped with my decision.

A Tiffen 0.9 ND Filter filled the bill perfectly, One piece of glass instead of two means less surfaces to interfere with the light (beyond what I want of course) and far easier to clean when it gets dirty. Since I only need an ND filter for a specific reason and very defined period of time it just made sense.
 
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