Jeremy
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Kerik said:Pt/Pd printing has the reputation of being expensive, time-consuming and difficult. None of which is true!
Kerik
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Kerik, what are you doing?!? Don't let the cat out of the bag!

Kerik said:Pt/Pd printing has the reputation of being expensive, time-consuming and difficult. None of which is true!
Kerik
www.kerik.com
sanking said:Actually making carbon tissue is a lot of fun. But the variables are many and it is very difficult to learn how to make tissue on your own without first having seen someone else do it. This is one of the reasons the learning curve is rather steep.
Carbon tissue has a shelf life of about six months if stored at room temperature (72º F and 50-65% RH). If stored in a freezer it might last for decades.
Sandy
Dead horse time... Even at small-quantity prices, one can make an 8x10 pt/pd print for about $3.50. I suppose if you're printing on a silver paper that is 35 cents per sheet (does that even exist anymore?), then what you say is true. But, there's another factor here. In general, I suspect it takes several more sheets of silver paper to get to the final print than it does with pt/pd. Because it has a more linear response, there is much less dodging and burning and micro-adustments in platinum printing than in silver printing. At least that's my experience and I repeatedly get the same feedback from workshop students. They often find that negs that were very difficult to print well in silver print effortlessly in platinum (and other alt-processes with similar linear response). So, if you look at the cost of getting to the final print, even higher-priced platinum printing supplies are comparable in cost to cheap silver paper. And typically you will spend less time getting to that final print in pt/pd than silver.McPhotoX said:Personally, I think Platinum printing IS expensive. I can only afford to buy what is needed in small portions. When I compair how much money it takes to make X amount of platinum prints, I can usually make 10 times that many silver prints for the same price.
Now, I am not a serious platinum printer thought, like many of you are. I print platinum for a change and something new to work with. Because I only print platinum once in awhile...having a manufactured paper would be nice.
Kerik said:Dead horse time... Even at small-quantity prices, one can make an 8x10 pt/pd print for about $3.50. I suppose if you're printing on a silver paper that is 35 cents per sheet (does that even exist anymore?), then what you say is true. But, there's another factor here. In general, I suspect it takes several more sheets of silver paper to get to the final print than it does with pt/pd. Because it has a more linear response, there is much less dodging and burning and micro-adustments in platinum printing than in silver printing. At least that's my experience and I repeatedly get the same feedback from workshop students. They often find that negs that were very difficult to print well in silver print effortlessly in platinum (and other alt-processes with similar linear response). So, if you look at the cost of getting to the final print, even higher-priced platinum printing supplies are comparable in cost to cheap silver paper. And typically you will spend less time getting to that final print in pt/pd than silver.
Sorry Jeremy, am I letting too many secrets out of the bag, here?
Kerik
www.kerik.com
psvensson said:What was the Palladio paper like? Did have a gelatin emulsion? Was it coated all over or just in the center?
richsul said:Dick Arentz once told me that every print he ever made he thought had a problem and could have been made better.
--Dick Sullivan
The Center for Photographic History and Technology
richsul said:One last bit. I had a giuy contact me once that was trying to get an inkjet printer to spit platinum juice out. All you had to do was expose the print to light to darken the dotssies and develop it.
--Dick Sullivan
The Center for Photographic History and Technology
Dave Wooten said:it seems to me a person devoted to developing the skills to master the art of printing in the alternative processes would rather have the variable of hand coating........after a certain skill level is reached and understood, controling and using variables become the life of the print...
sanking said:Someone asked me the same question about making carbon tissue. He was convinced that the inkjet printer was a natural for applying an even coat of pigmented gelatin to a piece of paper. Obviously he had not done enough homework to know anything about the required thickness of the pigmented gelatin layer, nor about its visscotiy or setting characteristics.
Sandy
I guess each artist chooses where to stop with just how "handmade" it becomes...richsul said:If you are a fine photographic printmaker, and Kerik here is one of the best, as opposed to an imagemaker, then the seat that goes into making the image is the vehicle for the heart and soul of the artist.
peters said:Scootermm-I don't know what book you were looking at but I own that particular one and those are PHOTGRAVURES my good man. Either there is a little too much heat or someone switched out the plates. And Palladio paper is the name that company in Massachusetts chose as it was the Palladio Company.
Great book by the way-I was discussing it with Christian Nze this very mornong.
Best, Peter
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