How many 4th layer fuji films were there?

TheGreatGasMaskMan · Jul 4, 2021

for some time now, I've been crossing some c41 films in e6, and generally, they largely preserve the orange base and give some other muted tones. however... I've found that the (few) fuji 4th color layer films I've done produce a different result- they're more blue green. So I'm wondering, how many 4th layer films did fuji make? I'd like to try them, see how they compare.

2019- 2007 expired superia 400, iso 50, plus two stops in e6
2020- 2005 expired (but frozen kept) fuji pro 160 nps, iso 40, plus two stops in e6

Ernst-Jan · Jul 4, 2021

Pro 160NS/160S, Pro 160C, Pro 400H, Pro 800Z
Fuji Superia 400 and 1600.

benjiboy · Jul 4, 2021

Ernst-Jan said:
Pro 160NS/160S, Pro 160C, Pro 400H, Pro 800Z
Fuji Superia 400 and 1600.

And Fuji Reala.

koraks · Jul 4, 2021

Ernst-Jan said:
Fuji Superia 400

200 as well, at least the later generation.
And as I recall even C200 eventually was equipped with it but don't quote me on that one.

foc · Jul 4, 2021

koraks said:
And as I recall even C200 eventually was equipped with it but don't quote me on that one.

My understanding was that C200 didn't have the 4th layer and that the new Superia 400 now hasn't got it.
See here https://www.fujifilm.com/uk/en/consumer/films/negative-and-reversal the Pro400H is the only one with the 4th layer mentioned.

Ther is also a good article here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fujifilm_Superia

TheGreatGasMaskMan · Jul 4, 2021

C200 definitely does not have the 4th layer.
Also, do Fuji super hg films have the extra layer?

foc · Jul 4, 2021

TheGreatGasMaskMan said:
Also, do Fuji super hg films have the extra layer?

As far as I know it was Fuji Super HG II 200 that had the 4th layer (not Super HG 200) but Super HG 400 had the 4th layer as well. (Of course I stand to be corrected)

IIRC a lot of this happened in the 1990s when competition between the brands was fierce.

Fuji had Super G, Super G+, Super HG, Super HG II all around this period.(1990s)
Some of the Kodak Gold had up to 5 or 6 different variants during the same decade.
Konica had Super HR, Super SR, Super XG, VX, VX Super, Centuria in a similar time frame.
I think Agfa just had XRG, HDC+.

Sirius Glass · Jul 4, 2021

The fourth layer is useful for having artificial light to appear as color balanced. Since I do not tend to photograph indoors with or without a strobe, I use Kodak Portra instead.

TheGreatGasMaskMan · Jul 4, 2021

Sirius Glass said:
The fourth layer is useful for having artificial light to appear as color balanced. Since I do not tend to photograph indoors with or without a strobe, I use Kodak Portra instead.

I don't really do much indoor stuff either. I'm more interested in cross processing.

Mick Fagan · Jul 4, 2021

As Benjiboy says, Fuji Reala. If you can get some of the original four layer film, you will notice a slight difference to the subsequent offerings from Fuji.

I used it from the month it was released, mainly for mixed lighting including sodium lighting mixed with Tungsten and the results were mind bending in how good it was.

One or two friends also tried it through E6 chemistry and were very happy with the results, one shot E6 was the best and most consistent. Running C41 film through an E6 bath really stuffed it up, not to mention that consistency was woeful if going through an E6 bath that already had some C41 through it.

I still have around 10-15 rolls of original Fuji Reala.

Mick.

TheGreatGasMaskMan · Jul 4, 2021

Mick Fagan said:
As Benjiboy says, Fuji Reala. If you can get some of the original four layer film, you will notice a slight difference to the subsequent offerings from Fuji.

I used it from the month it was released, mainly for mixed lighting including sodium lighting mixed with Tungsten and the results were mind bending in how good it was.

One or two friends also tried it through E6 chemistry and were very happy with the results, one shot E6 was the best and most consistent. Running C41 film through an E6 bath really stuffed it up, not to mention that consistency was woeful if going through an E6 bath that already had some C41 through it.

I still have around 10-15 rolls of original Fuji Reala.

Mick.

I use a lab for e6, so I'm not super concerned about chemicals lasting.

and I did get my hands on one Reala a year ago and had it processed normally, but I have to say it was pretty nice

koraks · Jul 5, 2021

Sirius Glass said:
The fourth layer is useful for having artificial light to appear as color balanced.

I think it was also/mostly aimed at improving color rendition under fluorescents.

foc · Jul 5, 2021

koraks said:
I think it was also/mostly aimed at improving color rendition under fluorescents.

+1.
I shot Reala for weddings, in the 1990's because it reproduced great colour and I had no complaints about the bridesmaid's dresses,
I also shot a lot of work for a local factory that produced medical devices. The interiors were always light by fluorescent lighting. I used to use fill flash for the foreground subjects and let Reala take care of the background lighting.
Because your eye sees the correct colour in the foreground, the background, even though slightly warmer in colour, wasn't noticed. If any other film was used the background looked a horrible green.

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