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when hasselblad sold more than MF cameras
they used to make a view camera ( hasselblad universal view )
it was a copy / knock off of a kodak, and it had their own name on it ..
would it have been considered a knock off or a hasselblad ?
When Hasselblad began producing mf cameras there was a close association with Kodak. My first Hassy, a 1000F came with Kodak lenses, so Hasselblad marketing a Kodak view camera would not seem strange.
As for the OP’s assumption that there is no difference among makers in the quality of clothing I still wear sweaters bought from B Altman, a nyc department store that closed ar least 30 years ago. My boots and shoes seem to last for years and years. My wife still looks sharp in clothes that she bought in Hong Kong almost fifty years ago. In the long run, quality is cheaper. Why buy a pair of shoes or hat that won’t last. Oh yes, just had a hat cleaned that I bought about 20 years ago. It now looks brand new!
i might be wrong ( i never lived in sweden in the 40s-50s ) victor hasselblad had a shop and they sold and repaired lot of things
they had a hungarian cabinet maker working for them who was film holders repair / restore/ rebuild / make - guy
and was asked to construct a KNOCK OFF of a kodak camera so they could sell it in the shop
it wasn't a kodak camera they sold or rebranded, it was something they hired an employeed to make using the kodak
as the design to copy... and after a couple of batches of "hasselblad universal view cameras "
the maker no longer wanted to put the hasselblad tag on it but instead his own name, and after that he and victor hasselblad parted ways.
the camera he made for hasselblad was a rip off / copy / inspiration from the kodak and it was good quality.
after working for hasselblad he made hundreds, of cameras and they were well known throughout sweden.
from time to time you see them on ebay, the metric sized ones are not very rare but the non metric / english sized ones are not common.
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the knock off handbags i mentioned earlier in the thread were written about by a reporter who realized
that her name brand fashion clothes was no longer as high end as it had been when she first began buying the clothes
IDK 10-15 years earlier. in those early days the thread was stronger and the clothes was of higher quality. she wrote a book
about her travels to the factory/factories in china that were making the clothes and handbags and remarked how
after the bags were going down the assembly line there was an island and some bags went on one side and others went on the other ..
she asked what was going on and the owner told her the one side was the name brand the other side was .. the knock off...
she also remarked how the handbags are predominant in the ads because they cost the least and the markup is the most.
as i said earlier --
i am not a collector, i don't have tons of gear that is similar but made by different manufacturers
and i after hearing someone suggest they could pinpoint what region specific olive oil camera from in a blind taste test
it made me wonder if camera collectorafficionatos would be able to tell which cameas made which images and what cameras were which
if they were presented with a blank bodies of a handful of cameras and lenses of similar quality tier.
its been a long standing comment that people who are film/analog camera/process lovers can tell the difference
between digital images and film based images, high end ink based prints and film based prints too ( a lot of them can't ).
there are a lot of folks who shoot LF cameras who collect and use beautiful old brass lenses, and know their "signatures"
and it made me wonder that too, if someone was given brass lenses some no name, some with well known brands/makers on them
and they were all in some generic barrel, would people be able to tell the difference between a port-land lens and a beach lens and a darlot lens and
some random no name that was a knock off or similar ...
there is a lot more mystique about quality
...(quote)IDK maybe you are right EvH.
but then again,i don't claim to be an expert,
and i am not going to assert things
are completely true even if the internet says it is
seeing it is the internet and most likely it is wrong
IDK, i might be wrong though, i usually am ..
https://sites.google.com/site/prittsel/szilardszabad
Depends on who perceives it. People who do photography are generally gear obsessed. They think they can buy better pictures. Doesn't quite work out that way. Between snobbery and insecurity certain brands make out pretty good. Look at Leica. They have people believing that they have to spend more money on a worse camera to be a better photographer. They also mislead in their advertising about who used their cameras back in the day. Bresson shot a lot with a Zeiss lens, and Capa was a Contax user. Oops.
If you want to know how branding changes how gear is perceived, take a look at the Pentax MF digital which got the highest quality score in I think it was DXOs test, but they didn't release the results for some reason, then when another camera came close that camera was ballyhooed. No one seemed to care that the Pentax was better for a long time just because the camera said Pentax on it apparently. Kind of stupid really.
I always though Pentax made great cameras. I owned one with several lenses.
Really this threads question should be aimed at things like recent Huawei phones with the Leica lens, or the various Sony point and shoot cameras with Zeiss lenses.
Clearly those brands believe that having such famous names in optics does offer real credibility to their products but its never been clear to me that either are lifted above their peers that much by these associations.
I like Pentax too. The 50mm I use with the Leica is a Pentax-M 1.4 converted to fit. Incredible lens. One of the best 50s ever made. Smoothest focus of any lens I have ever used as well which says a ton about the build quality. If someone offered to trade me a Summilux for it, i would say Yes! Then I would sell the Summilux and build another Pentax and take a vacation to Europe with the money.
If you look past all the hype out there, you can get great cameras for peanuts. Pentax and Minolta are both brands that cost almost nothing these days. I'll admit i always thought of them as inferior until I used them. They just don't get much hype.
That is true. I read the famous Tampax sanitary towel adverts which said that by using them you could swim, ski and dance without worries. I was convinced by the marketing although I couldn't do any of them before.Marketing, psychology, and religion rely equally upon branding, perception and faith. As far as most humans are concerned, imagined value is real value. That's what makes our world go 'round.
when hasselblad sold more than MF cameras
they used to make a view camera ( hasselblad universal view )
it was a copy / knock off of a kodak, and it had their own name on it ..
would it have been considered a knock off or a hasselblad ?
you mean eugene smith didn't use my pen ft to shoot the iconic images ?
olympus said he did in the ads ?!
if i didn't buy it used, i'd be ticked off right about now!
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i always wondered if you stuck a leica liquid sunshine lens onto a japanese camera
if it would explode .. i have heard over and over again by champions of german gear
how inferrior japanese made cameras and lenses are .. it makes me wonder if it would be like
"the angry chicken i ate last night, picking a fight with everything in my stomach"
i DO know that i can use polaroid film in my sears and roebuck box camera
the only problem is they come out looking like glass plates... weird ..
I use a ca. 1946 Summitar on a ca. 1949 Canon IIb. No explosions yet, but I do mount and dismount the lens in the dark.
I also use a prewar collapsible Sonnar on a Kiev 4, a Nikkor 13.5cm/3.5 on a prewar Contax and Kiev 4, and FSU Jupiters 8, 9, and 12 on the Contax. No issues. Yet.
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