How do you tone part of the image with one toner and rest with something else?

[tkamiya]

Hi....

I have an image where parts of it will need to be toned with a direct brown toner, and the rest in selenium. I'm not talking about split toning..... In the middle of the sheet, there is a part that I'd like to tone in deep brown, and the rest in selenium. How can this be done? Paper is FB based.

I researched some and one suggestion was to use rubber cement. How can this work when the paper will be saturated with the toning material for perhaps 8 minutes or so for deep toning? I can see this working with RC but this is FB....

I can think of brushing on the first toner and let it tone to completion, then to the bath of the second....

Is there any other way to accomplish this?

 

[eddie]

You can use rubber cement, but Frisket will work better.

 

[tkamiya]

Is this the same stuff that air-brush people use?

http://www.amazon.com/Badger-Air-Br...LTSS/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1333157353&sr=8-5

 

[eddie]

I think air-brush people use the frisket film.
They also make liquid Frisket. It's a lot like rubber cement. I've only used it a few times. I painted it on to an area I didn't want to bleach, before sepia toning. The area wasn't uniform ( an area of reeds) so exactness wasn't too important. If it's a more uniform area, you'll need extra care, so the toning is exactly where you want it. When you're finished, it rubs right off with your fingers.
I don't know the image you're thinking of but, have you considered selenium toning the whole thing, and hand-painting the deep brown? If you're using a FB matte paper, it may be easier.

 

[tkamiya]

Oh, I didn't realize frisket came in liquid format. I'll look for it.

Yes, I considered hand coloring - in fact, I've done it already. I'm experimenting with this particular image and selective toning is one of my options.

Appreciate your input very much.

 

[eddie]

Any art store will have it.
How large is the area you want brown?

 

[keithwms]

Why not just apply it where you want it, with a brush.

 

[Bob Carnie]

One of our first assignments at photo school was toning using elmers rubber glue?(long time ago)
with a brush apply the elmers, tone a selction and then peel back and glue another section and tone a selection.

I always found this kind of Kitchy and I always cringe when I see colour added to black white in Photoshop.

I will say I have seen some amazing hand colouring work... Deborah Samuels comes to mind where the work was blended brilliantly.

 

[cscurrier]

In college, we used just plain ol' rubber cement which worked very well. I did have issues getting the cement off without leaving some minor marking on a couple of my images. Be warned of that, but I'm sure the Frisket would work better.

 

[tkamiya]

I just tried the rubber cement method and it worked! I rubbed the cement off while the print is still wet and it came off very easily. No damage to the underlying print.

One issue is that rubber cement is thick and viscous. I need to paint a very fine area for a proper effect. The image is of a Mexican ruines and there are people (about two dozen) in the scene. Every one of these people must be protected from toning but not the surrounding area.

What materials can you guys think of that would be thin, possible to draw details, and come off easily?

Or - maybe I'll paint with rubber cement using tooth picks? (I'm not kidding about this)

 

[pgomena]

There is a rubber cement thinner available, probably right next to the rubber cement in the art or office supply store. I have no idea what the solvent is, but it is quite volatile.

Peter Gomena