How do you spell "bullshit" in French?

[Old-N-Feeble]

I have no idea but... en Español es caca del toro!!

 

[MartinCrabtree]

The art took some time to gather some momentum in my head. But the presenter disturbed the process.

 

[Gerald C Koch]

The French word is merde and is used more frequently than in English. Never seen it used in conjunction with "bull." To make a bad mistake is something like "You really stepped in IT this time."

 

[Old-N-Feeble]

Awe.. Gerald. Who stepped in poop this time?

 

[Dali]

Allouche admits that the pointillists used the same principle for their paintings but he also sees autochrome (rightfully) as the link between pointillism (painting) and photography. There is a well known relation between post impressionism and the use of Autochrome as an artistic medium. German/Austrian photographer Heinrich Kühn comes to mind as do other pictoralists. Autochrome is a special/unique photographic process part "painting" (colored starch) part photography.

As for "And all that funded by French taxpayers of course" I'd like to know where you have gotten the idea that Allouche's project was funded by the french state, simple because one museum bought three of his prints doesn't mean the whole project was funded by the state (taxpayer).

The first guy who speaks does not belong to a museum but a public institution directed by the Ministry of Culture. As such he is (like the whole institution) funded by the taxpayer. This institution's role is to promote an support the artistic creation. Said differently, they subsidize a bunch of "artists" with public money in total opacity towards those ultimately paying (aka taxpayers).

 

[MDR]

The french taxpayer has paid for much bigger merde or conneries than this project amongst them the President's lover who is certainly more expensive than this project. Also the Cnap acquired the work in 2014 it was created in 2013. So the taxpayer payed for the acquisition of three interesting photographic pieces and not for the creation of said pieces. Apparently the first showing of this work was at the Gaudel de Stampa I believe a private art gallery

 

[pdeeh]

Perhaps this board should be renamed "Philistinism and Scorn"?

Exact

 

[Dali]

The fact that money is spent inconsiderately by a nation President allows any institution to fund anyone's craze? As you seem to know a lot about it, maybe you can tell us how many "artists" live from the public money, being from a state institution, a region or even a city? Our international attendees might be very interested to know that France is rich enough to pay millions of Euros per year for nonsense but as the same time can't fund its army or can't maintain its health system which belong to every citizen. I call that cronyism and it is unflattering for a "democracy".

 

[frank]

People in glass houses ...

(or countries, in this case.)

 

[MattKing]

Perhaps this board should be renamed "Philistinism and Scorn"?

I sometimes disagree with blockend.

But there are always exceptions.....

The world of artistic endeavour contains all sorts of stuff that is unlikely to appeal to lots of people. But that doesn't mean that it is not without worth.

If I were wealthy enough to invest in Art of this size, I might consider this piece, although it isn't really to my taste. I expect as well that it is much more attractive looking in real life than what you can see on the video.

What I do know is that I find it inspiring to see artistic works that are different from what I do, talk with artistic people, discuss pieces of Art that are new to me and generally try my best to expand my horizons.

One of the things though that it is important to do is to resist the temptation to evaluate a single piece on its own. Context and history and the other work created by the artist are important when it comes to things like sale prices, because that is what collectors and museums buy into. Not so much when you are viewing something as a "one-off".

At least it adds evidence to the argument that magenta is a colour!

 

[MDR]

The army good point the annual budget for 2014 was 41.9 Billion Euros or 13,7% of the countries Budget (this year it is supposed to be around 29 Billions, in 2014 it was supposed to be nearly 10 Billion less than it finally got) and a lot of that money was used for good but also quiet a lot of it was misused for not so great things (illegal bombing campaigns, funding some friends in the arms industry etc...) and I agree the current social and health budget is a joke. The pure culture budget (not incl. Media and Culture Industry funding) is 2.9 Billions and sorry to say but art is worth at least one 10th of the military and a lot of the art funding comes back due to indirect returns. French tourism lives from history (part of the ministry of culture and communication with some exceptions) culture and love and brings in a pretty buck 9.7% of the GDP or 77.7 Billion Euros. Sorry to say but if something brings in more money than it costs and that is the case with culture than it has the right to some eccentrics.

That being said the Social budget should be upped quiet a bit and the soldiers should be provided with best tools available they fight for their country after all (the vast majority of the money doesn't really go to the fighting forces though)

People around the world seem to complain about art funding and they always forget the indirect returns. Especially in Europa the biggest part of tourism is cultural heritage tourism. The money for funding and maintaining the cultural heritage comes from the culture ministry but due to the indirect returns it is nearly always a zero sum game if not a great source of tax income.

 

[NB23]

Caca de Vache.

but

CACA is enough.

 

[MartinCrabtree]

Can't see where spending money on war is better than spending it on art.

 

[Dali]

Can't see where spending money on war is better than spending it on art.

The army is a public matter. Art should be a private one.

In an ideal world, we should be able to skip the army and concentrate our energy on more constructive tasks. Unfortunately, history teaches us it is seldom possible.

 

[Dali]

The army good point the annual budget for 2014 was 41.9 Billion Euros or 13,7% of the countries Budget (this year it is supposed to be around 29 Billions, in 2014 it was supposed to be nearly 10 Billion less than it finally got) and a lot of that money was used for good but also quiet a lot of it was misused for not so great things (illegal bombing campaigns, funding some friends in the arms industry etc...) and I agree the current social and health budget is a joke. The pure culture budget (not incl. Media and Culture Industry funding) is 2.9 Billions and sorry to say but art is worth at least one 10th of the military and a lot of the art funding comes back due to indirect returns. French tourism lives from history (part of the ministry of culture and communication with some exceptions) culture and love and brings in a pretty buck 9.7% of the GDP or 77.7 Billion Euros. Sorry to say but if something brings in more money than it costs and that is the case with culture than it has the right to some eccentrics.

That being said the Social budget should be upped quiet a bit and the soldiers should be provided with best tools available they fight for their country after all (the vast majority of the money doesn't really go to the fighting forces though)

People around the world seem to complain about art funding and they always forget the indirect returns. Especially in Europa the biggest part of tourism is cultural heritage tourism. The money for funding and maintaining the cultural heritage comes from the culture ministry but due to the indirect returns it is nearly always a zero sum game if not a great source of tax income.

I complain because subsidizing a few is funded by a public deficit paid by all (and by the generations to come - with interests of course-). And sorry, I make a difference between the majority of what is bought by this kind of institution and what attract tourists.

 

[Vaughn]

The army is a public matter. Art should be a private one...

I do not think that has been true (concerning art, anyway) in any civilization, at any level, at any time. And the military part is wishful thinking.

 

[eddie]

In the US, the amount of public money designated for the arts is paltry. In terms of the Federal budget, it's a few pennies found under the sofa cushions.
Art is something the government should invest in. When it comes to education, studies have shown that children who have access to art classes in their schools do better in their other core requirements. It's a shame that the first thing schools cut out is the arts...

 

[MartinCrabtree]

I didn't mention abolishing war although I'd hardly oppose that. Only my belief that money spent on art is better. They will take the taxes anyway so using it making the world a better place wouldn't hurt a bit.

 

[blockend]

Art should be a private one.

The millions of people who pass through art galleries might disagree.

 

[John Koehrer]

If you squint a bit, there's a potato worth a million bucks right in the center.

Artspeak and the emperors new clothes.

 

[MartinCrabtree]

If you squint a bit, there's a potato worth a million bucks right in the center.

That made me smile.

 

[cliveh]

When in conversation with HCB he told me I was talking bullshit, so it is a very French expression.

 

[Old-N-Feeble]

"Sometimes to see life clearly, you have to open more then your eyes".
~ Nicholi Seroff ~

 

[Sirius Glass]

connerie

And good money was spent on this connerie?

 

[eddie]

I'd like to see it in person. I think, based on its size, it would be interesting to view from different distances. From monochrome to colors and back.

I'm always amazed by how many "arbiters" of acceptable art come out whenever there's a post about a successful photographer. It may not be to your liking, but calling something shit really reeks of something else.