How common is the Cirkuit No. 16?

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Hi all!

I recently had someone ask ask about getting 16” film slit for a no. 16 cirkuit camera, and it seems like they were not nearly as common as the other models. I can’t even find pictures of the film or camera online! Just got curious about it since honestly I’d never heard of anything larger than the no. 10 before this guy asked me about it.
 

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I doubt if very many No. 16s were ever made. Not surprising, given what must have been the huge cost, and the limited market for the enormous prints that one would make with it.
In a lifetime of looking at photographic prints, I have seen exactly one 16" Cirkut image. I was astonished to see it, as I hadn't known that such a camera ever existed. It was very impressive!
 
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Talking to the person that contacted me, apparently less than 50 were made (!), so yes, exceedingly rare.

16 inch wide roll film is currently in production! So if you want to see another massive picture taken by this beast of a camera, I would keep an eye out on the ULF subreddit in the next few months.
 

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Bill McBride wrote a series of articles about the various models of Cirkut cameras for Graflex History Quarterly and the International Association of Panoramic Photographers newsletter. Below is the link to an issue with an article that includes No. 16 Cirkut history--and photos!

I'm excited to see what our friend does with his recently acquired No. 16. It is a beast. A No. 10 kit weighs about 50 pounds, which is plenty for me. The No. 16 set up is 90 pounds! Everything about it seems like it will be an order of magnitude or two more challenging than a No. 10. Scanning? Perhaps with a large DIY lightbox. Printing? My 10x72 contact printing frame is heavy and awkward. Trays? Same. I can't imagine handling a printing frame that much larger than my 10x72. Perhaps a custom contact printing table, that can serve dual purpose as a lightbox for scanning is the way to go. Oh, and development. The only other people I know of in recent times who used/use one are Ron Klein (@panoramic) and Jamie Young (@jamie young).

From McBride's article:

Because the No. 16 Cirkut was listed in catalogs from 1905 through 1924, it would appear that many were made, but it was bulky to handle, and it was an expensive camera to purchase for the average photographer. Just how many No. 16 Cirkuts were manufactured is not known, but from information that exists, the total production of the No. 16 Cirkuts, which includes the fan and governor speed control types, is approximately one hundred cameras. There were about 43 fan-type and 57 governor-type No. 16 Cirkuts constructed. Nearly a third of them have survived today.

And of course, of that estimated third that 'surived' a much smaller portion is probably in working order with all the necessary gears and tripod head.

 
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That is a really cool read! I hadn’t seen much information about the no. 16 before I read that. As far as I know, the camera that I am supplying is in good enough shape to get working, although I believe that they are having to fabricate parts via 3D printing for it. Though the fact that it’s in good enough shape to even potentially take pictures today is pretty amazing.
 

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Bill McBride's Cirkut articles are a nice resource and some of the only formal published histories I've encountered. It's too bad he wasn't able to finish out the series with articles he was working on about the No. 8 Cirkut and the No. 6 and No. 8 Outfits.

One thing to note, however, in talking to others who have handled lots of Cirkuts over the years, is that while he wrote about the evolution of the models, particularly the No. 10, as though there were discreet 'generations' of the camera as featured we added and removed, it was actually messier than that with a good bit of overlap and transitional configurations as the camera models evolved.
 
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well, pertaining to the origin of my question, the film for these is here and it’s enormous! Now I need to find a new box to ship these in because the one I was planning on using isn’t big enough lol
 

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