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How are the new inkjet printers...are you happy with them?

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I haven't kept up with printers. I don't do much photography anymore; I'm all archival material now and it seldom if ever requires printing, my work is all digital. I used to use Epson 3880's and R2000's printers for over a decade. 3880 was for BW and R2000 was for color. Loved them both more or less. I would have liked the 3800 better if it had a separate nozzle for gloss and matte, but it was doable. The 3880 excelled at beautiful B&W. Anyway, the old gal down the street bought 2 new LaserJet printers. They are for office work. She is having a hell of a time getting them to run. It seems that the new printers are all being made as energy efficient nanny state models and shut off and go to sleep very fast. That causes her printing issues. Are your photo printers immune to this problem?

I still have a brand new 3880 that have never been inked. I bought it as a 4th backup when I was into book printing. My 3rd 3880 died about a year and half ago. I was going to see if anyone wanted it on Facebook or Craigslist. Too heavy to ship so, will have to find someone local to buy it. Some of these new printer's sound like hell nowadays.

How are the new inkjet printers...are you happy with them?


(I don't know if this is hybrid or digital. I just clicked the digital. If wrong, please correct for me.)
 
Can't tell you about new printers, mine is a R2000 that I use for its black and white printing qualities. And it has proved to be a very nice printer, but a quirky one with annoying glitches. One thing is, OEM ink is no longer available for it and I think that may be an issue with your other printer, too. And it seems that unless you have a high-end roll-fed printer, there is little factory support--most probably in the manner of a service contract (think constant $$ outlays).
 
What specifically do you want to know?

Sorry to hear about the lady down the street having problems with her laser printers; I doubt this has much to do with the energy saving aspect and for sure it's unrelated to inkjet printing.

Modern inkjet printers are great if you buy a model that does what you need it to do. They're not so great if you're looking for a midnight snack or a fishing tackle.
 
How are the new inkjet printers...are you happy with them?

Very happy, but that is because I am using pro-level labs where I am in attendance every step of the way. No provision for DIY in a house not big enough swing a cat.

Today's big, bulky and pricey giclée printers (in terms of consumables) are a galaxy away in improvement from years and years of my printing through RA4 (but not a patch on the long-gone Ilfochrome Classic media). I think anybody investing (very seriously) in pro-level giclée (not desktop printers) is looking at a persistent outflow of money in terms of consumables, operating costs (ink supply, maintenance, cleaning), media diversity (media itself is not cheap) and economy such as electricity (and most giclée printers do have efficient energy-saving modes.)
 
If the lady down the street is looking for a good quality consumer grade print then a basic inkjet. I have a Canon, bottom feeder, good job for snap shots. If I need a better quality print I just have it printed at Staples or Office Max, high quality prices are good.
 
Nothing gave me more satisfaction than to give my 20th and last, out of warranty and economically unfixable, 14-month old Epson "professional" printer to the recycler.

You need to print consistently to keep the printers from clogging and some of us don't need to print that often or want to spend $400 on ink just to keep it from setting too long.

I miss printing but if I do buy a printer it will be for a show that I print and then I'll sell it ;-p
 
I think anybody investing (very seriously) in pro-level giclée (not desktop printers)

Sorry, but the main differentiators between the massive pro-level printers you seem to focus on and the desktop printers you seem to not take seriously are not necessarily in the domain of print quality. Which is to say that there are plenty of 'prosumer' desktop-sized inkjet printers currently on the market that deliver the kind if print quality you seem to exclusively associate with 'pro labs'.

For larger systems, there are a few rationales that justify their bulk and the larger investment in equipment:
* Ability to print larger media
* Ability to print on other media except paper (also large; think door/wall panels etc. and other display media)
* Productivity; i.e. square meters of print/hour
This is for the graphic arts segment; if you include production printing for e.g. mass marketing, print-on-demand books etc. it's especially about productivity and per-surface-unit economy, as well as integration into a larger chain of pre- and post-processing that takes a print job (typically not a single image) and results in a bound & glued book, folded flyer etc.

You mentioned energy and that's really only a significant factor in the areas that are NOT about typical photo reproduction as we discuss it on this forum; we see high energy costs in super-fast machines that pump out hundreds of sheets per hours for e.g. on-demand book printing; part of that tech is still laser-based btw, which inherently has a higher energy profile. But high-productivity (non-graphic arts) inkjet also involves dryers to rapidly pull all water out of the paper. And then there's the category of UV gelling inks that involve powerful UV lights to harden the ink immediately after it's deposited. None of this relates to high-end photo printing, which is a relatively low-energy endeavor. For a photo lab that prints inkjet, the main energy cost is in heating or cooling the building so the people working there are happy; not the printers as such.

The technology that's needed to create stellar photographic prints is precisely the technology that is also packaged in higher-end desktop printers; it's really not exclusive to roll-fed wide format printers that you may be used to seeing in your local 'lab'. This technology revolves around (1) ink delivery; i.e. the head and associated motion control to control droplet size + placement, which together determine effective resolving power and (2) the ink system itself, i.e. the pigment dispersion in a watery carrier with all the adjuvants to make it work reliably.

Where you do have a point for sure is that if you buy a desktop/consumer level inkjet printer, you will typically pay a bit more on a per-liter basis for the inks, but don't make the mistake of thinking that a pro lab pays so much less as ink is the manufacturer's revenue model also for that segment. In terms of media, buying in bulk also can make some difference. But the major factor is the question of volume and investment in equipment; if you only print 100 photos per year, your $1k printer will cost $1/print in just investment before you'll dump/replace it. Delegating your printing to a lab can be for this reason

Having a lab print can also have to do with technical expertise; on that part we agree - a good lab will guide you as a photographer through the process and save you form having to deal with all the technical intricacies of making a good print; they'll just present you with some choices that make sense to you, usually with some draft prints to illustrate, and you get to pick the direction you want to take it in. This is really the main differentiator - as a home printer, you either have to be happy with what the machine spits out 'out of the box' (which actually is darn good most of the time today) or you have to invest some time into understanding how color management works and experimenting with different media to get what you want. That takes time, and it's time you can save by paying a lab for their efforts. There can be economy there, but it depends on what you print, for what purpose and how much of it.

The production factors story is a whole different ballgame and your post mixes up several segments of inkjet printing - which may indeed be performed together at the lab you're using, but the part that you use, i.e. high-end photo reproduction, is precisely the segment that is also available in a desktop package. And yes, it's really the same (or higher!) quality, durability etc.
 
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