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Wellll...if any camera is my Holy Grail then I probably already own it but just haven't recognized it yet.

But to be honest, I don't think there really is a holy grail for me.

I love what can be done with 4x5 or 8x10, and the results are truly stunning. But it is a slow way to work.

On the flip side, 35mm is much faster to work with, but I can never seem to get the level of detail and tonal beauty that I see in 4x5.

120 roll film is a nice compromise. The cameras can be almost as quick as 35mm yet produce results that come close to 4x5.

Although a lot of people feel different, I feel that the TLR is the ideal medium format camera. Since I am most impressed with the Rolleiflex Automat or the Zeiss Ikon Ikoflex Favorit, those are the ones I prefer. I know that most people will insist that the Planar lenses in the 2.8F and 3.5E2 are better lenses, and I do agree. But for me the differences are so small in real life as to be unnecessary for most of my work.

So I guess these would be my Holy Grail cameras. The Rolleiflex Automat and the Zeiss Ikon Ikoflex Favorit. I could probably do all, or almost all, of my photography with either camera.

But then what would I do with my Leica M3, my Zeiss Ikon Contarex, my Pentax LX, etc., etc., ad infinitum. :smile:
 

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I finally have all of mine and then some..

35mm = my dads Nikon f2, Leica iiif and m6

6x6 = hasselblad 500c with lens kit

6x7 = mamiya 7

4x5 = tachihara cherry and brass

The only other camera I would want is either a tachihara 8x10 triple extension or a Kodak master or a toyo 8x10 field camera or a gowland 8x10 pocket view


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My first Nikon F3 was bought new in 1985 in Germany, it was thirty years old last week. I never knew what it could do, although I knew it could do a lot, but really, what it could do and what I have done with it so far, I never had any idea.

To mark its 30th birthday, I have been compiling some facts about this body in particular.

I have all four viewfinders, with the DW-4 6x magnification finder I have used the body on a microscope up to the point of near commercial quality usually only obtainable with a specialist microscope camera. This finder also works well with the body attached to bellows, allowing one to do quite extreme and accurate micro photography. Did many rainy days of fun with my bellows and extension bellows.

The DW-3 Waist level finder is really the go when the body is attached to my reproduction stand for photocopying. The waist level finder is also perfect for ground level work, as well as when the camera is against a wall.

The DA-2 Action finder was a revelation for taking pictures on the back of a motorcycle wearing a full face helmet, something I really didn’t think would work as well as it did. With the MD4 motor drive attached and the camera secured from dropping, it worked a charm. I took stills facing backwards of push bike races, a different way of getting motion sickness I can tell you.

The standard HP (High eyePoint) finder that allows full frame viewing wearing either prescription or just normal sunglasses, is perfect for all other stuff and can be used at a pinch for many other iffy ways of using the camera.

Using the body without any finder attached, saved me from missing a shot once. I stood up on the saddle of a stationary motorcycle, with a friend holding my legs to give me balance. I attached a 24mm lens, held the camera upside down with my arms raised as high as possible, composed the picture on the focusing screen and fired away. One frame worked, I only needed one frame.

The F3 has about 20 focusing screens, all of my Nikons run the type E. This type has a series of horizontal and vertical lines to aid in composition, especially with vertical and horizontal alignment. I have the Type C for microscope work, the Type D for use when, (at the time) I was hiring an 800mm lens.

I have the DB2 Anti-Cold Battery Pack, this is an accessory I have never seen anyone else using. It uses a couple of AA batteries and has a 1 metre lead that ends in a substitute for the button cell in-house batteries. In very cold weather, you keep this attached to the F3 body and the DB2 inside your jacket, attach the DA-2 action finder so you can see the viewfinder wearing goggles, wear big warm gloves, and fire away all day. I used this in the European Alps down to -30ºC for one whole day of shooting. The camera was fine, but I was a wreck, my knee joints were really not too good the next day.

Photographing some stills for a television commercial I somehow got talked into allowing my F3 body be used for a particular and different look. The body had the MD4 drive attached, plus it had the MF-4 250 frame magazine back attached. An external power supply to power the MD4 motor drive continuously at the maximum frame rate of 6 frames per second with the mirror locked up was also attached. The sturdiest tripod in the world was used and we were off. We went through about 20 lots of 240-250 frames of film before the director was satisfied. Then we had a late lunch while the film was developed in a 300mm wide roller transport processor. It apparently was successful. The end product was about 8 seconds of disjointed movements in B&W, in the middle of a 28 second colour advertisement, that almost no-one ever saw. I have no idea how much that little part cost in making the commercial, but it took 2 days to source the various components, plus couriers and a couple of taxis to get everything together before we could begin.

Sometimes I attached the MF-18 Multi-Function film back to the body, this is very handy when shooting the finish line of a school race that every student is running in. I turn the numbering function on and a sequential four digit number is imprinted between frames, allowing the record to show just who came where. The kids are fine, it is the parents who demand proof that their child was so far down the score sheet. The sequential numbering fixed that problem up. I used two F3 bodies and borrowed another photographers MF-18 for that shoot. These days they use video cameras to do this, but back then, it was pretty cool.

My F3 body has been attached to a Telescope, a Microscope, a Riflescope, a Spotting scope, reproduction stand, bellows and last but not least, my myriad of tripods. I even have a Nikon Speedlight SB-17, hardly ever used, but I have it.

Probably the best things that attach to my F3, are my Nikkor and Sigma lenses. Some are pretty good, some are really good, some, are just out of this world. I own lenses from 18mm through to 600mm. I have used lenses from 8mm to 800mm.

The second best thing I attach to my F3 body, is all of the different film that has been run through it. Last year I took this F3 to Europe for a three month holiday, it was during that holiday and pretty much living with the camera whenever I was awake, I thought it was about time to give it a bit of a rest. There was nothing wrong with it, there still isn’t anything wrong with it, but it was a bit tired. Not that you could name what it was, it just sounded a bit tired, but still worked faultlessly. It doesn’t look too flash any more, it is heavily brassed in places, and there are wear grooves in the body in places from straps and metal things on straps and from my belt buckle before I changed my belt. My second F3 body was bought new 28 years ago, it belongs to my wife who doesn’t use it any more, it is still pretty pristine.

I took the newer F3 body for a holiday of a few weeks, a short time ago. The difference was amazing. The film winder felt silky smooth, no bearing ratchetting felt through the thumb.

The LCD display in the viewfinder is working perfectly, not just when the sun wasn’t shining directly onto the front of the camera.

The film back sits flat and doesn’t wobble like the old one does after I did some panel beating of the film back after dropping the camera on some rocks.

The manual shutter release also works very smoothly. I found out that lying in a sleeping bag just inside a tent and having a long thin piece of plastic pipe taped to the manual shutter release, so I wouldn’t have to get out of my warm sleeping bag to trip the shutter on the T setting for a 4 hour night shot, made the manual shutter release a bit ratchety.

The huge dent in the pentaprism top of the view finder, isn’t there either, that happened after falling off a motorcycle taking pictures of a pushbike competition sitting backwards and getting motion sickness.

The shutter and mirror slap of the new F3 is not quiet, F3 shutters and mirrors are quite loud, but it is whisper quiet compared to my original F3. The fact that the new F3 has less than 1,000 rolls of film though it, is probably why it sounds so crispy quiet.

When I attach the MD4 motor drive, the drive and the body align perfectly, the F3 body and drive had slight alignment issues after being kicked by a footballer who missed the football and kicked the bottom of the motor drive. The footballer had his eye on the camera so he wouldn’t kick it, would you believe. I also found out just what the excess insurance premium was, for a hired Nikkor 8mm lens that day.

Aside from those slight blemishes, my 30 year old F3 works virtually as perfectly as the day I bought it.

When I bought my First F3 body 30 years ago, I really didn’t know what, or how good and versatile it was going to be. I now know that it is the complete camera for me, in effect, it is my holy grail.

Mick.
 

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Holy grail in that I will never be able to afford it, the Rolleiflex 2.8F Platin Edition.
 

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For me the real holy grail would be unlimited time to use the cameras I already have.

That said, it would be nice to have a Carbon Infinity 4x5, mostly just to appreciate the custom build quality and materials engineering, and also to make images with it.
 

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Hmmm, I'd like an SWC too someday but I do I have unbelievable 40/4 CLE FLE Distagon for my 500CM and have a hard time justifying it. I know they're different but a bit too close for me to justify. And I can justify GAS!

I have my holy grail cameras (leica m6 ttl and Hasselblad 503 cw). But there are some holy grail lenses such as the 40mm f4 cle distagon and some of the fast leica offerings.
 

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The F3 has about 20 focusing screens, all of my Nikons run the type E. This type has a series of horizontal and vertical lines to aid in composition, especially with vertical and horizontal alignment. I have the Type C for microscope work, the Type D for use when, (at the time) I was hiring an 800mm lens.

My introduction to Nikon was a brand new black F3/T HP. I never did like the standard focusing screen - I felt my old Pentax's central microprism was much easier to use. So, what I did was order the H3 screen for my F3/T -- the entire screen is a microprism field. I love it and it's been the only screen on that camera for over 20 years.
 

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WANT:

- Rolleiflex SL66
- Contarex, any model
- Canonflex R2000
- That fuji 6x8 monster SLR camera

Let downs": Cameras which did not turned out to be as nice as I thought (call them "overrated" if you like):

- Nikon F3
- Hasselblad 500C
- Rollei 35
 

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My introduction to Nikon was a brand new black F3/T HP. I never did like the standard focusing screen - I felt my old Pentax's central microprism was much easier to use. So, what I did was order the H3 screen for my F3/T -- the entire screen is a microprism field. I love it and it's been the only screen on that camera for over 20 years.

Interesting. I got my F3 (since sold) with the A, B, D, K and one of the G (ultra bright) screens. I found the standard (K) screen just fine; the other screen I used the most was the D screen (plain matte). In fact i've just adapted the D screen to my Nikon F, since I like the uncluttered view.
 

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Selling both Holy Grail cameras... Toyo 45GX and Toyo 810G. My body is failing so those heavy monsters must go.:sad:
 

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Reading over the posts I am seeing so many cameras that would make me proud to have collected and use. Leicas are high on the list of wants for a lot of people, but I haven't regularly shot anything on 35mm in years. If it were to be my holy grail camera I don't think it would be one of those beautiful cameras. The cameras that I am pining for do, however include a Mamiya 6/7 system, Ebony SV45Ti or other comparable folding lightweight, rigid 4x5, Gowland 4x5 pocket camera?

My two cents worth- All the best-
 

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I'd like to have a Leica M2, M3, or M4, but it's not gonna kill me if I don't. I have a CL and that's pretty close.
 

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Contax RTL III

And just for its - "I would really like to own that, even if I never take a picture with it" - jewel-like apperance, a LeCoultre Compass camera..
 

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More cameras i'd like to own:

Kodak Ektra (yes, I forgot that one!)
Kodak Medalist (i want one so badly!)
Ensign Autorange 820
Mamiya 6 (early folder camera)
Mamiya 7 rangefinder + lots of lenses
 

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Want Olympus OM3ti + Zuiko 40mm f/2
 

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I have owned my " holy grail" cameras for about thirty years, since then I been able to concentrate my efforts on my photography, not on thinking about acquiring more equipment.
 

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Ben, let others have and enjoy their fantasies. Remember, de gustibus non est disputandum.
 

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You might have to clarify the definition of Holy Grail. I assumed that a Holy Grail would be something never quite attainable, or very difficult and quite an achievement. It kind of seems that most people in this thread are merely considering it their favorite camera or the one they decided they wanted when they decided they wanted one.
 

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I have owned my " holy grail" cameras for about thirty years, since then I been able to concentrate my efforts on my photography, not on thinking about acquiring more equipment.

Hello, Ben - thanks to you, I now have a Canon EF ("black beauty") and completely understand why you are content with such a fine camera. I'm surprised how little attention (or no attention) is given to this model on the internet (it does not appear on the otherwise excellent MIR site).

Anyway, I suspect that you've settled on a few prime lenses for it. I'd be happy with just 35, 50, and 85.
 
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Holy Grail is going to be different for different people. I have a Canon EF and F1n bodies along with canon 24f2.8, 50f1.4, and vivitar series 1 80-200 lenses. Very nice cameras and lenses, but I'm a Nikon guy. Even the Nikons are "below" my holy grail cameras, which are going to be medium format due to the larger roll film.
 
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