Frankly, Clive, I'm a bit surprised by your disparagement of Holga, and Holga users. Your work shows an interest in multiple image making techniques. Why do you dismiss tools which further that goal?
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I get it now , you sell these cameras. Your post confused me for a moment. The design and looks of your camera is certainly much better than what I made in school.
If you read my posts I like pinhole, and holga's and have used both...I also would consider one of your units, except the titan can accept my film holders which I like.
If you read my posts I like pinhole, and holga's and have used both...I also would consider one of your units, except the titan can accept my film holders which I like.
I hear you Clive. Somewhere in the archives of here, RFF or photo.net there's a reply from me from about 5-6 years ago on a similar thread saying almost exactly what you said here. And with a similar attitude. Then I got a hold of one and used it. When I throw my M2 or MP into my bag with my 50/2 Summicron DR attached I'm going out to shoot knowing what I've got and using that tool to get what it's best for. Otherwise I'd take one of my many other cameras. If I take out the Holga, and only the Holga, my mentality is different, my goals are different. It's almost like another media, or at least using a VERY different brush, and the results are different (not always better, but sometimes ) because of it. Changing negs in photoshop that I shot with my Leicas is making Leica to resemble Holga-like images. Going out with just a Holga and out to shoot "native" Holga images gets me very different results and is a change or a diversity in my photographic goals and mentality I enjoy very much.
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Because they are no better than simple cameras produced in the late 50s and 60s. It's not new, just old simple imagery. Buy a Brownie 127, which will probably give you a slightly better quality.
Actually, they're probably worse, which is what makes them so good.
LOL! Got one of THOSE too!
Especially if you reverse the elements!
Randy Smith is doing some cool restoration and pimping of the Brownie Hawkeyes here:
http://www.holgamods.com/hawkeye/Hawkeye/Cameras_Built.html
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And I hear you, but beg to differ. I will stick to my M2 and you may stick to your Holga. No way will you ever change my mind, as my M2 is part of me. End of conversation.
No, it's not. You made a mistake. I wasn't try to convince you of anything. Nor do I care to.
Holgas are fun for what they are, just plain simple and akin to single use cameras you may have used as a kid. Not really worrying about settings as you cant do much about them. I've played with a few of them as well, but never wanted to have one myself. Now i would want the lomo lca though, which is an awesome toy camera I enjoyed, but then again these prices the last few years are just ridiculous for what they are. I'd rather invest that money into better lenses.
Count me in with the Holga fans!
I got into a rut with my usual 6x7 and 6x17 b+w transparencies, and the pursuit of a certain type of technical excellence.
So I junked my rule book, picked up a couple of Holgas and and a Brownie Hawkeye, reversed the lens and had great fun with all 3. Helped free me from my self-imposed visual shackles, taught me a lot about how creativity works and can be challenged, and made me look at the world with different eyes.
Have printed some of the resulting pictures as polymer photogravures...
I got into a rut with my usual 6x7 and 6x17 b+w transparencies, and the pursuit of a certain type of technical excellence.
So I junked my rule book, picked up a couple of Holgas and and a Brownie Hawkeye, reversed the lens and had great fun with all 3. Helped free me from my self-imposed visual shackles, taught me a lot about how creativity works and can be challenged, and made me look at the world with different eyes.
Have printed some of the resulting pictures as polymer photogravures...
When it comes to making worthwhile photographs, there's no difference between a Holga, a Leica, a pinhole, a Sinar, a Deardorff, a Rolleiflex, etc.
In the right hands, they're all capable of producing images that sing.
In the right hands, they're all capable of producing images that sing.
How does one make a living being a "Holga Designer"?
I think the design is the same as it has ever been. Not much work for the designer to do. Just lay about and get paid, I imagine.
Nice work if you can get it.
I think the design is the same as it has ever been. Not much work for the designer to do. Just lay about and get paid, I imagine.
Nice work if you can get it.
Sorry Bill, but I don't get your point.
That guy designed the original Holga as well as different cameras and accessories of the same name. I did not imply that it was important construction/design work.
And seemingly he does not take himself that seriously.
That guy designed the original Holga as well as different cameras and accessories of the same name. I did not imply that it was important construction/design work.
And seemingly he does not take himself that seriously.
Oh, I see. He deigned the Holga, not that he works as a Holga Designer.
The pure hate by some here at Apug.org for Holga is astonishing. Earlier it was said that 200,000 of these are sold per year. That's 200,000 more people buying film folks.
I was showing some students various cameras today, and one of them was the holga. The second after i passed it over and turned around to speak to another student, it fell apart in the hands of the kid!. Both side locks and back was off, in his panic he forced the back door back upside down and somehow jammed it in. Took me awhile after class to get it out, but it was kinda funny.
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Matthias Fiegl, one of the 'inventors' of the Lomography movement and now CEO of the Lomographic Society Internatial in Vienna, just recently talked about Instagram in an interview.
He said that nowadays lots of the young start taking pictures with their smart phones, and so get in contact with Instagram. And by using Instagram they hear at first about Holga, Lomography and film. And they are getting curious: What is this 'film thing', which Instagram is trying to copy?
So they get interested in the real stuff, the original, and want to try that out, too.
Mr Fiegl said that Lomography gets quite a few new customers by Instagram.
It's like flying in a flight simulator: Almost perfect, but when you have learned your lessons in the simulator you want to fly in a real airplane......
.And is the "low-fidelity photography movement" with Holga and Lomo cameras really only a fad?
I don't think so:
The Holga was introduced 1982, 30 years ago, and is still going very strong. Gets even increasing interest in some important markets like China.
Lomography was founded 1992, 20 years ago, and since then the number of Lomographers is continuously increasing, currently with a 15-20% growth rate p.a..
20-30 years is quite a long time for a "fad"
.Probably the "low fidelity photo movement" is now an established part of photography, and will stay.
Best regards,
Henning
I hope Holga sales increase, no I do not own one. But as already said Holga owners buy film, what else can be said?
Lomo recently reintroduced 110 film and a new 110 from Japan, Fukkatsu label is also being sold by some outlets. So I think film is here to stay, at least through online ordering. All my film, 120 and 35mm has to be ordered online but I can still get plenty, as much as I can afford.
Just yesterday on a walk I saw a young couple and the girl was just putting away a 35mm SLR into a bag. I was 50~60 feet away but you can always spot a film camera. As I walked past I commented on how nice to see a film camera in use and she said that she intended to continue with film until she couldn't buy any more. She and her guy were in their early 20's, no more than 25 years old for sure. Now I'm 63 but that little encounter made me feel just a little better for the rest of the day.
Just yesterday on a walk I saw a young couple and the girl was just putting away a 35mm SLR into a bag. I was 50~60 feet away but you can always spot a film camera. As I walked past I commented on how nice to see a film camera in use and she said that she intended to continue with film until she couldn't buy any more. She and her guy were in their early 20's, no more than 25 years old for sure. Now I'm 63 but that little encounter made me feel just a little better for the rest of the day.
Totally agree pen s, almost 65, and feel comfortable film will out last me. I also have to order all my film and on my last order earlier this week most of my favorites were sold out. When back in stock will get a bigger supply.
The good thing about Holga 120 cameras is that they are so inexpensive. If you already have a Rolleiflex or Hasselblad or Mamiya 7 then adding a Holga would be small change. If, after a 2 or 3 rolls you find out your are not David Burnett you would not be out much money.
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