Hipsters and hasselblads

[Sirius Glass]

this idea of calling someone a one of our primate cousins because they look at what they shot to see if it was worth keeping is kind of funny. its something chemical photography users wished they could do from the beginnings, its something people who process their film with UV goggles or a green safelight or who use ortho-esque film do every time they process film; its the proof shot those of us who shot polaroid before exposing the big sheet of film did often .. and now because everyone can do it with their digital cameras its bad, because they took photographs that probably looked good (maybe even as good as some pro might have taken). the whole thing is really kind of laughable . I guess developing film by inspection ( and saying ooo ahhh because you nailed the exposure and are excited )... is bad too--- . LOL.


yes, it is.

Non sequitur. Now go and make up a new excuse.

 

[itsdoable]

For those of you who wet print B&W with a safe light, we chimp when the paper has been in the developer for a few seconds, and the latent image appears... ooh -ooh!

Or sometimes when the film come off the reel after processing.

We just chimp in private.

Digital just brought it public.

 

[Cholentpot]

Nice try, but chimping is the act of inspecting a shot on the display of a digital camera immediately after it is made (the shot not the camera) and making faces and oohs and aahs. Some people use it to refer to just the act of checking every exposure as it is made.

Yes I know. I am/was a working photographer (thanks pandemic).

I find it funny that people shun a useful tool. Is there a shadow falling oddly on the subject? How's the highlights? Can I check the histogram? What about the clipping?

Nah.

Ook ook.

 

[Pieter12]

Yes I know. I am/was a working photographer (thanks pandemic).

I find it funny that people shun a useful tool. Is there a shadow falling oddly on the subject? How's the highlights? Can I check the histogram? What about the clipping?

Nah.

Ook ook.

And it is a shame how many shots are missed because the photographer was busy chimping.

 

[grat]

And it is a shame how many shots are missed because the photographer was busy chimping.

That's just poor time management.

Also, with 10 FPS, and some mirrorless cameras now pre-buffering your shots so you can literally take a picture that happened before you press the shutter button, missing a shot with digital just means you're not trying.

 

[Cholentpot]

And it is a shame how many shots are missed because the photographer was busy chimping.

That's not how it works on the job.

Here, check it.

I got the whole group bunched up, everything is looking great. Look through wee bitty viewfinder and it checks out. Have the exposure down shadows are great. Rip through 15 shots and tell them to break it up. Get home, upload photos and see that Person X's head was blocking person Y. Toss the whole set

OR.

Set everyone up, make sure the exposure etc is right. Snap a few shots and look at back of screen. Oh, I need to move person X.

Ook.

 

[Sirius Glass]

For those of you who wet print B&W with a safe light, we chimp when the paper has been in the developer for a few seconds, and the latent image appears... ooh -ooh!

Or sometimes when the film come off the reel after processing.

We just chimp in private.

Digital just brought it public.

And again not chimpin'. The photograph has been taken and developed so at that point another photograph can not be made.

 

[Sirius Glass]

Yes I know. I am/was a working photographer (thanks pandemic).

I find it funny that people shun a useful tool. Is there a shadow falling oddly on the subject? How's the highlights? Can I check the histogram? What about the clipping?

Nah.

Ook ook.

Duh, and how is chimpin' going to work for a film camera. It is not going to happen. Get over it, good film photographers know whether or not they got the shot and looking at the back of the camera for a view of the latent image is not going to work. Most of the chimps do not know what they are doing.

 

[Sirius Glass]

That's not how it works on the job.

Here, check it.

I got the whole group bunched up, everything is looking great. Look through wee bitty viewfinder and it checks out. Have the exposure down shadows are great. Rip through 15 shots and tell them to break it up. Get home, upload photos and see that Person X's head was blocking person Y. Toss the whole set

OR.

Set everyone up, make sure the exposure etc is right. Snap a few shots and look at back of screen. Oh, I need to move person X.

If you were using a Hasselblad then you would have a big screen and you could see what was happening up to the exposure. Toss the 35mm camera and get a real camera.

 

[Cholentpot]

Duh, and how is chimpin' going to work for a film camera. It is not going to happen. Get over it, good film photographers know whether or not they got the shot and looking at the back of the camera for a view of the latent image is not going to work. Most of the chimps do not know what they are doing.

I seem to recall watching product photographers going through boxes of Polaroids before committing to a sheet.

 

[removed account4]

Non sequitur. Now go and make up a new excuse.

How is that a non sequitur ?
seeing what was shot to see if it is worth keeping vs seeing what was developed to see if it needs more processing, or using a polaroid to see if the shot needs to be changed or kept seems exactly the same for me. if you were doing commercial / assignment work and not using a polaroid you would have not lasted long.

For those of you who wet print B&W with a safe light, we chimp when the paper has been in the developer for a few seconds, and the latent image appears... ooh -ooh!

Or sometimes when the film come off the reel after processing.

We just chimp in private.

Digital just brought it public.

couldn't agree more..

 

[Sirius Glass]

I seem to recall watching product photographers going through boxes of Polaroids before committing to a sheet.

I guess that you have not noticed that Polaroid when out of business decades ago. No one uses Polaroid film any longer.

 

[Cholentpot]

If you were using a Hasselblad then you would have a big screen and you could see what was happening up to the exposure. Toss the 35mm camera and get a real camera.

Instructions unclear. Here's a boat anchor.

 

[Cholentpot]

I guess that you have not noticed that Polaroid when out of business decades ago. No one uses Polaroid film any longer.

Funny, that. Fuji has some sort of best selling film on the market that is remarkably similar. I seem to recall loading it into the back of my Crown Graphic. Something about being instant and wide.

 

[Sirius Glass]

Instructions unclear. Here's a boat anchor.
hi

Now that is a real camera. I have on with 4"x5" format and a 4"x5" Graflex Model D. Use then with both eye open and there is no need to be a chimp chump.

I have no need to instant photographs mainly because I know what I am doing.

 

[Cholentpot]

Now that is a real camera. I have on with 4"x5" format and a 4"x5" Graflex Model D. Use then with both eye open and there is no need to be a chimp chump.

I have no need to instant photographs mainly because I know what I am doing.

This is a 2x3. I don't have a photo of my 4x5 and the 2x3 is prettier.

I know what I'm doing but the subject has no clue. Oh look, someone had poppy seeds for breakfast. I can inspect teeth on the back of camera. Can't really walk up to the subject and tell them to open wide.

 

[Ai Print]

Oh good god, is it still 2005? I thought this digital bashing stuff died when the film bashing stuff did, lol!

I love making images on film, I can do it in my sleep. I love making images on digital, with my mirrorless cameras set in black and white mode I see exactly what I am going to get because I am getting it live. Been doing one for over 40 years and the other going on 30.

In a way to recover nicely from loss of work in one area ala pandemic, I am gaining serious momentum in other areas. One is film making as in motion picture. I have done several advertising gigs thus far but I am also making a black and white art film. So far it is coming out really good, it’s called “Winter Haiku” and all made with Nikon mirrorless cameras in black and white mode, no conversion from color.

So one night last week, a mountain lion took down a fawn on our property. At first I was really bummed about it. But then I realized that the lion would likely return. So I set up a camera with an external power source, 256GB of XQD card and let it go for 10 hour sessions each night making one exposure every 6 seconds. The first night I got a fox who made two passes on it. It was nearly a full moon so my exposures were solid at 1/8th of a second at 1.4, ISO 25,600. But the second night I got the fox and the lion. A few of these sequences will appear artfully in the film, to be woven into it.

Needless to say, I would need an enormous budget to pull this off on film. So call me a happy camper in both camps. They feed each other, fiscally, creatively and personally.

It’s 2020, if you think talented visual artists taking advantage of checking on an image in short order is cheating, you are still stuck in 2005 bro.

 

[itsdoable]

And again not chimpin'. The photograph has been taken and developed so at that point another photograph can not be made.

I recall calling the customer(s) back for another session when the processed film images were insufficient - digital just shortened this process and allowed our technique to be really sloppy. Another photograph can always be made.

 

[Ai Print]

I remember in the early 90’s when I was just starting to get bigger clients, I had an industrial shoot going and did not borrow my buddy’s polaroid back for my Hasselblad. The art director was like “Really? Are you F___ing kidding me? He was pissed, we really needed to check lighting on this snazzy new $500,000 CNC machine and yet, we could not.

Thankfully I knew to make about double the images in more lighting ratios and it came out fine. But even decades before we had the option of looking at a screen, the expectation of seeing the image right then and there was very present.

 

[removed account4]

I remember in the early 90’s when I was just starting to get bigger clients, I had an industrial shoot going and did not borrow my buddy’s polaroid back for my Hasselblad. The art director was like “Really? Are you F___ing kidding me? He was pissed, we really needed to check lighting on this snazzy new $500,000 CNC machine and yet, we could not.

Thankfully I knew to make about double the images in more lighting ratios and it came out fine. But even decades before we had the option of looking at a screen, the expectation of seeing the image right then and there was very present.

you must be a hack !

 

[Cholentpot]

Oh good god, is it still 2005? I thought this digital bashing stuff died when the film bashing stuff did, lol!

I love making images on film, I can do it in my sleep. I love making images on digital, with my mirrorless cameras set in black and white mode I see exactly what I am going to get because I am getting it live. Been doing one for over 40 years and the other going on 30.

In a way to recover nicely from loss of work in one area ala pandemic, I am gaining serious momentum in other areas. One is film making as in motion picture. I have done several advertising gigs thus far but I am also making a black and white art film. So far it is coming out really good, it’s called “Winter Haiku” and all made with Nikon mirrorless cameras in black and white mode, no conversion from color.

So one night last week, a mountain lion took down a fawn on our property. At first I was really bummed about it. But then I realized that the lion would likely return. So I set up a camera with an external power source, 256GB of XQD card and let it go for 10 hour sessions each night making one exposure every 6 seconds. The first night I got a fox who made two passes on it. It was nearly a full moon so my exposures were solid at 1/8th of a second at 1.4, ISO 25,600. But the second night I got the fox and the lion. A few of these sequences will appear artfully in the film, to be woven into it.

Needless to say, I would need an enormous budget to pull this off on film. So call me a happy camper in both camps. They feed each other, fiscally, creatively and personally.

It’s 2020, if you think talented visual artists taking advantage of checking on an image in short order is cheating, you are still stuck in 2005 bro.

I like to say, if not for digital I wouldn't be shooting film.

 

[Sirius Glass]

Oh good god, is it still 2005? I thought this digital bashing stuff died when the film bashing stuff did, lol!

I love making images on film, I can do it in my sleep. I love making images on digital, with my mirrorless cameras set in black and white mode I see exactly what I am going to get because I am getting it live. Been doing one for over 40 years and the other going on 30.

In a way to recover nicely from loss of work in one area ala pandemic, I am gaining serious momentum in other areas. One is film making as in motion picture. I have done several advertising gigs thus far but I am also making a black and white art film. So far it is coming out really good, it’s called “Winter Haiku” and all made with Nikon mirrorless cameras in black and white mode, no conversion from color.

So one night last week, a mountain lion took down a fawn on our property. At first I was really bummed about it. But then I realized that the lion would likely return. So I set up a camera with an external power source, 256GB of XQD card and let it go for 10 hour sessions each night making one exposure every 6 seconds. The first night I got a fox who made two passes on it. It was nearly a full moon so my exposures were solid at 1/8th of a second at 1.4, ISO 25,600. But the second night I got the fox and the lion. A few of these sequences will appear artfully in the film, to be woven into it.

Needless to say, I would need an enormous budget to pull this off on film. So call me a happy camper in both camps. They feed each other, fiscally, creatively and personally.

It’s 2020, if you think talented visual artists taking advantage of checking on an image in short order is cheating, you are still stuck in 2005 bro.

Again not chimpin' but the best use of a tool's ability.

 

[Sirius Glass]

I like to say, if not for digital I wouldn't be shooting film.

The digital revolution has made it possible for me to have Hasselblads.

 

[Vaughn]

It can take me 30 minutes or more to expose a couple of sheets of 8x10 out in the field. The last thing I will be thinking about will be the images I am not getting.

Chimping makes one miss shots? Silliest thing I've heard today...but it's early.

 

[Cholentpot]

The digital revolution has made it possible for me to have Hasselblads.

It also made it possible for my to have 16mm through 4x5 cameras. I have Canon, Nikon, Pentax, Minolta, Fuji, Olympus, Bronica, Mamiya, Graflex, Kodak, Praktika, Yashica, and many many others sitting on a shelf. All for less than I paid for my digital camera and lens. To get sorta back on subject. This is still a magical time to live in for photographers. Outside of internet auction sites that the hipsters drove the prices up, cameras are so very cheap. I have people give them to me. And film too. I have a fully equipped darkroom, more developing tanks than I know what to do with and with the internet I have 150 years of knowledge at my fingertips. I learned more about photography in the last half decade then would have been possible 20 years ago.