Here: List of repackaged Agfa Aviphot Pan 80 and 200 films and Kentmere 100 and 400 films

Film-Niko · Jan 3, 2023

I just want to fulfill a wish by some forum members and a moderator:
Here is the list of current repackaged (rebranded) Agfa Aviphot Pan 80 and 200 films and Kentmere 100 and 400 films:

Agfa Aviphot Pan 80:
Repackaged as Rollei Retro 80s and Rollei RPX 25.

Agfa Aviphot Pan 200:
Repackaged as Rollei Superpan 200, Rollei Retro 400s, Rollei Infrared 400, Silberra Pan 160 / Ultima 160, Silberra Pan 100 / Ultima 100, CatLabs 320 Pro and JCH Street Pan.

Kentmere 100 and 400:
Repackaged as AgfaPhoto APX 100 and 400, Rollei RPX 100 and 400, Fotoimpex CHM 100 and 400 (discontinued), Oriental 100 and 400.

Proven by countless experienced photographers who have tested these films in direct comparison (me included), and partly by the companies themselves (e.g Fotoimpex has been honest about their CHM films).

relistan · Jan 4, 2023

Agfa Aviphot Pan 80 is also the basis film for ADOX HR-50. But ADOX have legitimately modified it for a better pictorial curve, through a proprietary process. It's likely pre-flashed, but we don't know for sure.

Film-Niko · Jan 4, 2023

relistan said:
Agfa Aviphot Pan 80 is also the basis film for ADOX HR-50. But ADOX have legitimately modified it for a better pictorial curve, through a proprietary process. It's likely pre-flashed, but we don't know for sure.

I know that speculation. That maybe true, maybe not. So far I have not seen a 100% evidence. But if it is, no problem at all for me, it doesn't really matter, as Adox has implemented a really visible improvement. That counts for me, the result, and the benefit for me as a user.

relistan · Jan 4, 2023

Film-Niko said:
I know that speculation. That maybe true, maybe not. So far I have not seen a 100% evidence. But if it is, no problem at all for me, it doesn't really matter, as Adox has implemented a really visible improvement. That counts for me, the result, and the benefit for me as a user.

Yes, it's a better film because of whatever ADOX is doing to it. But it's also based on Aviphot Pan 80. Read this post:

Kono! Monolit 400 in Ilfosol 3

Hi, Anyone have any ideas as to how long to develop Kono! Monolit 400 in Ilfosol 3. I bought a roll from B&H because I liked the label(!) and now can't find anything on development times. Nothing in the Massive Development Chart nor on the distributor's website. I have read that it is...

www.photrio.com

Marcelo Paniagua · Jan 4, 2023

Film-Niko said:
I just want to fulfill a wish by some forum members and a moderator:
Here is the list of current repackaged (rebranded) Agfa Aviphot Pan 80 and 200 films and Kentmere 100 and 400 films:

Agfa Aviphot Pan 80:
Repackaged as Rollei Retro 80s and Rollei RPX 25.

Agfa Aviphot Pan 200:
Repackaged as Rollei Superpan 200, Rollei Retro 400s, Rollei Infrared 400, Silberra Pan 160 / Ultima 160, Silberra Pan 100 / Ultima 100, CatLabs 320 Pro and JCH Street Pan.

Kentmere 100 and 400:
Repackaged as AgfaPhoto APX 100 and 400, Rollei RPX 100 and 400, Fotoimpex CHM 100 and 400 (discontinued), Oriental 100 and 400.

Proven by countless experienced photographers who have tested these films in direct comparison (me included), and partly by the companies themselves (e.g Fotoimpex has been honest about their CHM films).

I'm a regular Rollei RPX 400 and Kentmere 400 user and not sure if RPX400 is the same as Kentmere 400 At least today. Ran a 100ft reel for each of them on 2022. Still got 2 100fts of RPX on the freezer (got them at cheap on B&H on a special sale). Also antihalation layer seems different on both of them.

It may had been at one time but not sure it is still the same (that seems to be the Internet wisdow). I don't have experience with older batches of RPX 400.

Developing time are pretty similar, but, on similar conditions and same camera (mostly my home, indoors with either Olympus OM1 or Leica M6) and same developer (mainly use D-76 for most of my films, POTA sometimes.) and RPX 400 get me lower contrast (which I like for my common images) than Kentmere 400 (which looks ok for dramatic images).

I may be wrong and be just me and my developing process. Just wanted to point that out.

Also, Aviphot 200 emulsion formulation is share by multiple Rollei films but they some have different film base (Superpan 200 has clear triacetate while Retro 400s is polyester base). Not sure if that can be called repackaged.

Marcelo

Film-Niko · Jan 4, 2023

Marcelo Paniagua said:
I'm a regular Rollei RPX 400 and Kentmere 400 user and not sure if RPX400 is the same as Kentmere 400 At least today.

I have tested it last time last year. I have also again tested the different HD curves, there were identical. Talked to other experienced photographers who did comparison tests, and they had the same result.

Had Maco changed the film recently? Maybe, I would not generally exclude that. As they are often changing their pruducts or suppliers without any information to the customers.
Maybe there is a need for new comparison tests.......

Marcelo Paniagua said:
Also, Aviphot 200 emulsion formulation is share by multiple Rollei films but they some have different film base (Superpan 200 has clear triacetate while Retro 400s is polyester base).

That is definitely wrong as all Agfa Aviphot Pan films are generally coated on PET base. Agfa is not using triacetate base at all.
Just have a look at the Agfa data sheets:

Aviphot

Aviphot B/W Recording films With their spectral sensitivity extending up to the infrared range, Aviphot Pan negative films are capable of registering more details than films with conventional sensitivity. The differences in spectral reflection between the various kinds of vegetation are...

www.agfa.com

Klaus_H · Jan 4, 2023

Marcelo Paniagua said:
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Superpan 200 has clear triacetate while Retro 400s is polyester base

Did you check it, or did you read the MACO leaflets?
The data sheets MACO provides are not worth the paper they are printed on. They do not contain reliable data, but only halucinations from the marketing experts.
The Superpan 200 (120), I did purchase in May 2022 still had same filmbase as Infrared 400 and Retro 400S.

pentaxuser · Jan 4, 2023

Thanks for that list, Film-Niko Great info for all of us. While not everyone may accept this list or at least have some doubts as we have seen, it is the kind of post that is worth repeating every time we have another thread on who makes what

Very useful for any newcomers who have little knowledge of this subject and who can be easily confused, including some not so new comers like me

I am copying your post for future reference

pentaxuser

Marcelo Paniagua · Jan 4, 2023

Klaus_H said:
Did you check it, or did you read the MACO leaflets?
The data sheets MACO provides are not worth the paper they are printed on. They do not contain reliable data, but only halucinations from the marketing experts.
The Superpan 200 (120), I did purchase in May 2022 still had same filmbase as Infrared 400 and Retro 400S.

The Superpan 200 base I used looked different to me. I may be wrong. Talking about my own experience here.

Marcelo Paniagua · Jan 4, 2023

Film-Niko said:
...

Had Maco changed the film recently? Maybe, I would not generally exclude that. As they are often changing their pruducts or suppliers without any information to the customers.
Maybe there is a need for new comparison tests.......
...

That could probably be the case. They are pretty secretive about what is on their film.

Film-Niko · Jan 4, 2023

Marcelo Paniagua said:
The Superpan 200 base I used looked different to me. I may be wrong. Talking about my own experience here.

You can very easily test it by yourself: Take the beginning of the film and try to tear it with your bare hands:
With triacetate no problem.
But with PET impossible!

Marcelo Paniagua · Jan 4, 2023

Film-Niko said:
You can very easily test it by yourself: Take the beginning of the film and try to tear it with your bare hands:
With triacetate no problem.
But with PET impossible!

Thanks Film-Niko.

Film-Niko · Jan 4, 2023

pentaxuser said:
Thanks for that list, Film-Niko Great info for all of us. While not everyone may accept this list or at least have some doubts as we have seen, it is the kind of post that is worth repeating every time we have another thread on who makes what

Very useful for any newcomers who have little knowledge of this subject and who can be easily confused, including some not so new comers like me

I am copying your post for future reference

pentaxuser

Thank you, good to read. Then I have made at least one photrio member happy .

Marcelo Paniagua · Jan 4, 2023

Film-Niko said:
Thank you, good to read. Then I have made at least one photrio member happy .

More than one I would say Thanks indeed.

Marcelo Paniagua · Jan 4, 2023

Although Maco and some other may not be as happy

Film-Niko · Jan 4, 2023

Marcelo Paniagua said:
Although Maco and some other may not be as happy

All they have made their decisions by free will. No one has forced them to do it that way.
Other companies like Ilford, Kodak, Fuji, Foma, Adox, Film Ferrania have decided to act much more reliable and honest.
And we as consumers with our hard earned money are free to decide how we spent our money.

Marcelo Paniagua said:
More than one I would say Thanks indeed.

Thanks for your appreciation.

npl · Jan 6, 2023

Film-Niko said:
I just want to fulfill a wish by some forum members and a moderator:
Here is the list of current repackaged (rebranded) Agfa Aviphot Pan 80 and 200 films and Kentmere 100 and 400 films:

Agfa Aviphot Pan 80:
Repackaged as Rollei Retro 80s and Rollei RPX 25.

Agfa Aviphot Pan 200:
Repackaged as Rollei Superpan 200, Rollei Retro 400s, Rollei Infrared 400, Silberra Pan 160 / Ultima 160, Silberra Pan 100 / Ultima 100, CatLabs 320 Pro and JCH Street Pan.

Kentmere 100 and 400:
Repackaged as AgfaPhoto APX 100 and 400, Rollei RPX 100 and 400, Fotoimpex CHM 100 and 400 (discontinued), Oriental 100 and 400.

Proven by countless experienced photographers who have tested these films in direct comparison (me included), and partly by the companies themselves (e.g Fotoimpex has been honest about their CHM films).

I know about kentmere/agfaphoto/RPX/CHM being most likely the same thing, and the speeds match, but I'm not sure I understand correctly the first two paragraphs : are all theses films the exact same emulsion as Aviphot 80/200 ?

Rollei retro 80s shot at EI 80 look quite underexposed, so i'm not that surprised it could be sold with a lower box speed, but regarding Aviphot 200, films advertised from 100 to 400 ISO, with one infrared, being the same thing ?

Thanks !

Anon Ymous · Jan 6, 2023

@npl There used to be an Aviphot Pan 400, which was initially used for the Rollei IR400. It has long been discontinued, before 2010, and Maco simply switched to the 200 variant...

Film-Niko · Jan 6, 2023

npl said:
Rollei retro 80s shot at EI 80 look quite underexposed, so i'm not that surprised it could be sold with a lower box speed, but regarding Aviphot 200, films advertised from 100 to 400 ISO, with one infrared, being the same thing ?

Thanks !

Yes, the same.
Rollei Superpan 200, Rollei Retro 400s, Rollei Infrared 400, Silberra Pan 160 / Ultima 160, Silberra Pan 100 / Ultima 100, CatLabs 320 Pro and JCH Street Pan are all Agfa Aviphot Pan 200.
That is based on countless comparison tests done by lots of very experienced photrio members (my own tests included) and members of many other film photography groups globally over the years.
It is also proven by straight availability logic: Aviphot Pan 200 is the only available aerial film in that speed range.
Production of Aviphot Pan 400 was stopped in 2008.

Film-Niko · Jan 6, 2023

Anon Ymous said:
@npl There used to be an Aviphot Pan 400, which was initially used for the Rollei IR400. It has long been discontinued, before 2010, and Maco simply switched to the 200 variant...

Right, absolutely correct.

Marcelo Paniagua · Jan 6, 2023

On this note, does anyone know if Aviphot 40 is being rebranded or available under other name? Got hold of some respooled 120 rolls and really like it but would like to get some steady source of it.

npl · Jan 6, 2023

@Anon Ymous @Film-Niko OK, thanks for the additional info, good to know !

Film-Niko · Jan 6, 2023

Marcelo Paniagua said:
On this note, does anyone know if Aviphot 40 is being rebranded or available under other name? Got hold of some respooled 120 rolls and really like it but would like to get some steady source of it.

Not that I am aware of.
Problem would also be that Aviphot Pan 40 is only produced as PE0 version on a 0.06 millimeter base. That is very thin and probably too thin for a proper use in 135 and 120 photo film.

Marcelo Paniagua · Jan 6, 2023

Film-Niko said:
Not that I am aware of.
Problem would also be that Aviphot Pan 40 is only produced as PE0 version on a 0.06 millimeter base. That is very thin and probably too thin for a proper use in 135 and 120 photo film.

Yes is very thin, although quite resistant to scratches. Can see your point. Couldn't imagine using on 135mm.

So far the only issues I had has been on scanning (to thin for holder). Otherwise no issues on the cameras I've use it (Rolleiflex 2.8, Mamiya C's cameras, Kiev's and Bronica), somehow film has been flat on camera and no focusing issues.

pentaxuser · Jan 6, 2023

Marcelo Paniagua said:
Although Maco and some other may not be as happy

I am not sure it matters to Maco but I will say no more

pentaxuser

Here: List of repackaged Agfa Aviphot Pan 80 and 200 films and Kentmere 100 and 400 films

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