Help: Problems with expired Portra 400VC/NC

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Update

I think my original problems were caused by three factors:
  1. Old film
  2. Operator error in using the scanner
  3. Poor(ish) processing

First, the film is not horrible. Minilab 4x6 prints come out very nicely. Unfortunately, scans from my V500 do show a lot of colored (but not obnoxious) grain in the shadows. Contrast seems to be lacking, and I simply can't get anything close to this in terms of smoothness (Flickr page). In other words, sounds like the standard effects of aging. Oddly enough, I don't get much better results rating either the 400VC or 400NC film at 200 vs. 320. Any ideas why?

It's interesting, but some of the cheap supermarket brand film I bought earlier scans a lot smoother than this stuff. Colors aren't to my taste at all, but very, very smooth. I've bought a fresh roll of 400VC at the extortionate price of $12 CDN to see the difference between the old stuff and a fresh batch.

Second, using any sort of USM with this film in Epson Scan is a really bad idea. Even low USM accentuates grain and makes it look like color noise. Moreover, you have to turn off USM for each frame in the preview window. I was turning it off for the first frame only, and assuming the software was applying the settings to all the images. Big mistake. Default setting in Epson Scan is "Medium USM", which interacts badly with the film I have.

And finally, I think there were some problems with the processing, because the test rolls I did weren't anywhere near as poor as the first three. Middling, but not shocking.
 
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400 VC, Test image, 1024px
400VC_Test_Roll_1_Img_1_1024.jpg


400 VC, Test image, 100% crop from lower left corner
400VC_Test_Roll_1_Img_1_100_Percent.jpg


400 NC, Test image, 1024px
400NC_Test_Roll_1_Img_1_1024.jpg


400 NC, Test image, 100% crop from lower left corner
400NC_Test_Roll_1_Img_1_100_Percent.jpg
 

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Yea Allen, that stuff should have been fine. Probably was in someones trunk for awhile. Sorry my friend, I hope I have better luck. I'll know in 2-3 days. Thanks for the lowdown.
 

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It is not that awful for a 400 film, but it is definitely messed up. Possibly got heated at some point. Look at the negs. Are they thin? Maybe there is a problem with your meter as well. I would try another roll in another camera and see what happens.

That last shot reminds me a little bit of Friedlander.
 
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