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Hi guys, I need your advice. All my life I was digital photographer, and now I'm feeling time to move on, I decided to shoot large format (I had an experience to print 6x6) now I'm thinking to start 4x5 format. The main thing is I live in Bali (island in Indonesia) and I broke my brains trying to figure out how to get enlarger for this format. Do you have an idea))? Maybe someone have enlarger and feel passion to help me get into LF . This my digital works www.alexgrabchilev.com
 
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Welcome to Photrio. This is a very large community, so there is a fairly good chance that someone in your region may have some information for you. I've adjusted to your thread title to be more specific, to attract more relevant responses.
 

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Hi guys, I need your advice. All my life I was digital photographer, and now I'm feeling time to move on, I decided to shoot large format (I had an experience to print 6x6) now I'm thinking to start 4x5 format. The main thing is I live in Bali (island in Indonesia) and I broke my brains trying to figure out how to get enlarger for this format. Do you have an idea))? Maybe someone have enlarger and feel passion to help me get into LF . This my digital works www.alexgrabchilev.com
hi alex, im Indonesian who live in Jakarta
its very difficult to find some darkroom tools here... but you can try ask an old studio in Denpasar or Other City in Indonesia who want to sell it.
but usually people in here just shoot 35mm and MF...its hard to find LF shooter here...or maybe you could build DIY enlarger from large format camera

rgrds,
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Hi, Ian, thanks for reply. I guess I will be not satisfied with the quality of diy enlarger)) I thinking maybe to get 8x10 camera and do contact printing. Or ask Australian community, because this is the closest place with this kind of stuff. Maybe some one from them can send it to me.
 

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With Ian's reply in mind you might inquire at Indonesian (not just Bali) authorities about their abondonned darkrooms.
 

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The LPL 7450, which is the first of the LPL 4x5 enlargers, is their smallest one in physical size. Although there isn't too much of a difference in cubic shipping, there is a bit of a difference in the later LPL 7451 / 7452 / 7452L units as their heads are bigger and therefore slightly heavier.

I have shipped an original LPL 7450 enlarger and the weight complete with packaging was about 32kg.

In Australia everything electrical is designed for 230V 50hz (220V - 240V). Enlargers before the year 2000 would have been 240V but in the year 2000, Australia switched to 230V. Not really an issue, but it may be an issue with you and whatever power supply you have.

LPL is/was a very well known enlarger in Australia, along with others, but I would think there are maybe more LPL enlargers than most other brands in Australia.

http://www.khbphotografix.com/LPL/LPL7450.htm

If you do find any 4x5" enlarger, make sure that the mixing box it is going to be shipped with , is in fact the 4x5" one, not a medium format mixing box, or even worse, a 35mm mixing box.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=...X5tZDWAhXHG5QKHbfdD1gQsAQIJQ&biw=1536&bih=734

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Good advice from Ian Faisal (#3). Twenty or even thirty years ago when I was hanging around Java and shooting al ot of film, there were small (mostly Chinese owned) studios everywhere offering surprisingly good quality B&W D&P services everywhere. Now they are all gone, but the equipment they had - and I saw an amazing variety of it - may still be around. All the big photo studios in Java were doing virtually no business by the 1990s and had closed by 2000. I know of one in Surabaya, where I still visit, which had been in business since 1900 but finally shut its doors in 1998. Everything in it (I recall a 8x10 Linhof portrait camera with roll film backs on a magnificent wood and brass tripod) had been presold and it was all packed up and sent to Japan a week later.

Finding it will be an adventure. Advertising for it may not help much. You will have to travel around and ask at local photo shops.

As in all used equipment the quality will vary, and you won't be getting it dirt cheap, tho. Indonesian Chinese are aware of the value of what they have and will charge you accordingly, as they should. Buying that equipment in the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s was very expensive for them with every sort of duty and tax added on to the equipment when it was shipped from overseas. I recall a well-used Rolleiflex TLR in a shop in Malang, the asking price (or at least the starting price) was enough to buy a new Hasselblad 500CM at the time. So I passed. The Rollei was still in on the same shelf in the shop two decades later when I last visited. It may still be there, covered in dust and riddled with fungus. The same shop had a stock of refrigerated 120 Fuji color negative film which I bought for A$2 a roll, as the owner was getting out of film and wanted to move it.

There is, or was, an Ebay-like web site called Tokobagus. It may or may not still be around Such things come and go quickly in countries like Indonesia.

An Australian enlarger will work with Indonesian current. Getting it safely to Indonesia, however, will be an exercise in logistical nightmares. Shipping by a professional firm would be the best way, but be prepared to pay at least a kidney for the service. the post office won't touch it - there is an old joke in Surabaya that anything sent via the post office should be big enough so someone on the staff won't steal it, but a parcel containing a 4x5 enlarger won't fit on a motorcycle, so it's unlikely anyone will make off with it.

As for shooting and processing 8x10, well - I hope your pockets are very deep and your wallet very big! You'll have to import your film and chemicals, so think MegaBucks. 4x5 would be more affordable, but again you will likely find yourself stocking up on film and dry chemicals whenever you visit other countries like Singapore or Japan Not sure it will really be worth your time and effort. A more, shall we say practical? approach would be to rejig your thinking and planning and go MF, with care and attention and applying a sensible workflow to your shooting you will get results 90% as good as with LF, with 90% less effort and inconvenience.

AgX (#5), there are no abandoned government darkrooms in Indonesia. Nothing is ever abandoned in Indonesia The gear would have been sold off a long time ago.
 
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There was an attachment to 4x5 camera called Graflarger. Perhaps rig up something like that with an LED panel?
Is it really works?

Thanks everyone for response, I decided to start from medium format because I already have an enlarger. And slowly checking maybe there is some old photo studio around with big enlarger) thanks guys!!
 

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yes you could buy from australia, but you must consider the freight to Indonesia

Our post office now have a good management, but you must know about import tax...our regulator for import thing its called Bea & Cukai
you could search on google

tokobagus is disappear now, Indonesia online marketplace right now is tokopedia and bukalapak
i found one of 35 enlarger from that site

8*10 camera its my dream, i want to be a wetplater someday
 

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Ian (#11), I very much appreciate your positive comment re the postal system in Indonesia, but my experiences have been different. In Surabaya at least

In the past year three small parcels with gift items sent to me from overseas have disappeared All were to be signed for on delivery. Queries to the post office have so far been unanswered.

Two parcels from Australia contained books and arrived safely. Both had been opened and badly resealed with sticking tape.

Last year I had two parcels with 35mm and 120 roll films successfully shipped to me (again in Surabaya) from a prolab in Jakarta.A few months ago a third parcel with film went missing. The prolab had shipped it and gave me all the necessary data but accepted no responsibility. Again, no response at all from the post office. .

Two Singapore photo suppliers I deal with won't ship to Indonesia. Same reason. One agreed to ship if I accepted full responsibility for non-delivery. Of course I declined.

Other government services are now greatly improved. Immigration is much easier to deal with if one can overlook the flip-flop visa policy and all the hoops the system makes me jump when I apply for longer term visas.

One learns to live with these inconveniences. There are so many good things about Indonesia and certainly Indonesians even in Surabaya are among the nicest Asian people I know. My time in East Java gives me great pleasure, the food is excellent, and of course let us not overlook the superb photo opportunities at every corner.

The point I intended to make is that it will be possible but most likely massively inconvenient for the OP to buy an enlarger in Australia and have it shipped to Indonesia, not to forget very very very very expensive.

Some old studios in the Netherlands Indies (now Indonesia) had massive darkrooms with huge LF enlargers. I was privileged to see two of them in the 1980s before the studios closed and the equipment was dispersed. Even if some is still there it would have been purchased in Dutch colonial times and likely need much servicing and rewiring. One very old Chinese photographer in Malang even had a pre-1900 gaslight enlarger which I didn't see as by the time I located the studio, most of the old equipment had been sold and moved. This was the same gentleman (then in his late 80s) who had the 8x10 Linhof studio camera. I had a portrait taken with it (I recall he used a Grafmatic and 120 roll film) and I still have the proofs. They are horrible images but that's more the subject than the photographer and not the point of this thread anyway.

Jon Shiu (#9), Graflargers were bulky and difficult to work with and not all that common after 1960 when photographers began dumping their Graphics and Graflexes for smaller TLRs and SLRs. I recall a few in use then but the last Graflarger I saw was in a pawnbroker's store in Las Vegas in 2006. The asking price was US$549. If the OP wants it, I'm quite sure it will still be there...

The equipment or some of it may well still be there but one will have to look. I like to think you and the OP will some day realise your dreams of shooting eight-ten but for now, you would both be best to go with 120. Whatever you decide, the keyword is of course, enjoy.
 
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I'm chatting with one guy about shipment from Australia. I have a lot of experience to order something from overseas, and all the time it was perfect. Maybe Bali have better organized post) if it won't work with Australian enlarger, then ill go to 8x10 format with contact print. For now I find guy with middle format enlarger , and we will setup everything soon) so yes slowly moving)
 

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I'm chatting with one guy about shipment from Australia. I have a lot of experience to order something from overseas, and all the time it was perfect. Maybe Bali have better organized post) if it won't work with Australian enlarger, then ill go to 8x10 format with contact print. For now I find guy with middle format enlarger , and we will setup everything soon) so yes slowly moving)

I am photographer in Bandung. I have built a small darkroom & lab with my friend from gear we both collected from old labs and studios here. We were lucky to find two 4x5 enlargers so far. One is LPL in good shape, the other is an Devere 504 incomplete, in bad shape, I am working on it when I get spare time, hoping to make it into a digital enlarger later. Also found a Beseler 23 which was rusty & mouldy but like new now.

I recommend checking bukalapak.com and analog groups on FB & IG. Even now there are several enlargers for sale on bukalapak, pretty sure there are medium format sometimes. Never seen large format but I know there must be more lying around in Java, in old studios, labs and antique markets.

I use the post as much as possible, I think post office limit is 30KG per package. So far I have had no problems with getting most kinds of photo / camera & other parts, chemistry, papers, films, into Indonesia as long as I checked with customs people at local post office before importing. If some big enlarger is over 30KG perhaps u can try a 'door to door' importer company that has a warehouse in Singapore. These services charge per kilo and can help sort out big stuff. I have imported aircraft wings and engines using them, sometimes the items must wait in Singapore for a while until Indonesian customs are 'green light'.

With films & papers I usually order more than one of everything in case they open some boxes, but I also ask the sellers (like maco) to clearly label packages (please don't xray / don't open unless in complete darkness) in Bahasa Indonesia & English - works great :smile:

Jez
 

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jezoare (#16), you are truly fortunate to have found such equipment. Your post has rekindled my interest in revisiting old studios in East Java (I last did the rounds in 2006, an eternity ago) in the hope of finding yet more treasures. I say "hope" as it springs eternal,but I'm not holding my breath. Anyway, it's good to know you believe there are still finds to be found in places such as old studios in Java.

I shoot quite a lot of (mostly B&W) film, but I don't have a darkroom in Indonesia, I prefer to hoard my films and process them when I return home to Australia where I have more control over the conditions and the processes.

The last photo item I found in a local market (in Malang) in 2015, was a carry case for a 1950s 6x6 folding camera. The leather was so worn out and rotten, that case should have been seized as an environmental health hazard. Seller wanted A$50 for it. Probably 'buleh' price. I laughed. He laughed and asked "you want, how much?" to which I responded, "no, I don't want". End of story.

Wasn't the OP talking to someone in Australia about buying an enlarger there? Or was he told the price and shipping costs and fainted from the shock...

I remember there are or were free weekly newspapers in Bali that were distributed in supermarkets and other tourist shops. These were essentially throwaways and not worth reading but full of buy and sell ads. He could maybe post in those (if he hasn't already) and see what if any gear turns up.
 

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Deafening silence from the OP. Has he given up on us? Or on eight by ten and enlargers? Will we ever find out?

A Singapore friend recently told me many enlargers (and lots of other analog used gear) can be bought there, at varying prices. The OP could fly over for a short shopping holiday, buy one, and (maybe) fly it back with him when he returns to Bali, if he has deep pockets and is prepared to pay air shipping charges.I was recently faced with taking about 50 kilograms of baggage with me back to Australia, and the charges quoted by most airlines ranged from ridiculously high to surprisingly reasonable. In the end I went with Royal Brunei with a 12 hour stopover in Bandar Seri Begawan, nice is you can face half a day of cooking in equatorial heat, no alcohol to ease the culture shock, and visiting mosques, but their baggage fees are too high, I opted for the standard 30 kilograms, included with my (surprisingly reasonable) airfare. Air Asia had the best rate for 50 kilos of accompanied bags, but for reasons unrelated to photo enlargers I won't fly with them.

Or build his own? An uncle of mine did this in the 1950s, to print 4x5 negatives from a Speed Graphic. Unfortunately it fell apart and collapsed on top of him during a printing session, he broke his collar bone and eventually packed off the unit in the garbage collection.Sad story, the moral of which is one should learn basic carpentry before building stuff.

Just thoughts. Whatever he decides, he has taken up a challenge for himself, and I hope he succeeds. Eight by tens in Bali... wow.
 
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