Help me decide between Pentax Spot Meter V vs Minolta Spot Meter M

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Yes, I am now beginning to wonder if Fred while OK as a photography "expert" was rather better as salesman for the Fred Picker way. I suspect that like most of those who belong to the natural breed called salesman he effortlessly reflected the pysche of his time and place.

As the "Beach Boys" would have said he picked up and reflected back "Good Vibrations"

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That quote is spot on. FP sold a lot of good stuff even if many items were overhyped from several angles. But I think me was not alone to find his preaching helpful and no doubt he was right on many sibjects that made a photograph techincally better. Kind of too bad he was so so a photographer, which undercut value of some of his preaching.

When he put out a product he made sure some weight was behind it to drive sales, and when a Harvard professor puts his name in, it sure makes things harder to argue validity of claims. I used Zone VI darkroom timer for several years and found it great to use, sort of unsofisticated sofistication like many of his products.

Back to light meter though, there are long discussions on modifications done by Zone VI. One important point made was ... if the claim says it makes meter see like B&W film, WHICH film were they referring to?

No matter how extensive a testing they had done, surely compromises had to be part of the game, if the meter was to really make a universal difference regardless of film in use. When we add how meter is actually used, and all other variables from shooting to processing ... those Penatx guys must have had hard time doing anything right, if indeed a small shop in Vermont had to fix it for them.
 

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In the "for what it's worth dept": Picker used to buy Pentax spot meters, tear them apart and discard the Pentax light correcting filter, such as was. He then replaced it with his own filter pack and resold the meters under his Zone label for a markup of something in the range of $125 more than the retail price of the regular Pentax meter. He claimed that this was required to make the meter measure various color densities more accurately, that the regular meter was partly color blind. One effect of Picker's modification was that his version of the Pentax spot meter lost more than a stop of sensitively. The Minolta spot meters do not have such deficiencies.
George at Quality Light can certainly replace your Pentax spot meter, bnut if asked, he will recommend the Minolta spot meter.
 

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I had a Minolta spot digital, but sold it. The analog versions of the Pentax are much more user friendly for me. I've never used an analog version of the Minolta, but in general, I find the analog output much easier to visualize when using zone system techniques. I'm afraid I just don't like digital outputs, they're much less natural in my workflow. I have a Pentax in mint condition that I will never, ever give up.

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You want the Minolta Spotmeter F - the F not only has the ability to measure flash as well as natural light, but it has a greater EV range than the M. And it takes an easier to find batter than the M, which uses some odd silver-oxide battery that's expensive and can drain quickly if you don't have the lens cap (the M doesn't have an "off" switch).
 

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Given that

* I already have a reflective (non spot) meter + incident (Sekonic 308s) which I use for portraits and colour negative work
* I would be using this primarily for Zone System with medium format (yes, I know it's not as flexible as LF)
* I can choose between a Pentax Spot Meter V and a Minolta Spot Meter M both in good condition, and price is about the same

What would you recommend? Help me decide!
I find that the Pentax is thebest for the Zone System and so did AA. You'd be in good company!
 

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II too, bought the Minolta M when it came out in the early 1980's and loved its utility and ergonomics.

A few years ago, when i decided to buy a replacement spot meter, I went to KEH, ordered a F version, in EX condition, and when I received it, after a few readings, it stopped working.

Keh.com took it back and gave a full refund and I went and bought a Pentax 'V' of another photographer on the .largeformatphotography.org site.

I like the light levels of the Minolta better, and the auto calculations on the run, however the Pentax is more rugged, and the Calculator dial vs. Digital, means I have to stop and pay attention to what I'm doing, rather than taking a few readings and have the answer always in front of me.

This helps if you use filters, several films, in conditions you might no be comfortable in.

The Minolta M was perfect in the MOdern Dance and Ballet Stage's, existing but ever changing, light, in the performance work I did back then, and I would no try the analog under those condition, however I am shooting in and out of doors and I am no kind to my equipment, so the Pentax is a better fit, in whatever bag I throw it into.

IMO.
 

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Given that

* I already have a reflective (non spot) meter + incident (Sekonic 308s) which I use for portraits and colour negative work
* I would be using this primarily for Zone System with medium format (yes, I know it's not as flexible as LF)
* I can choose between a Pentax Spot Meter V and a Minolta Spot Meter M both in good condition, and price is about the same

What would you recommend? Help me decide!

When I was a 'working' photographer in a Gov't Research Centre, the old 4x5 cameras were about 'worn out' after some 30 odd years so I decide to have the Sinar rep. bring in an F2 for a 'try-out'.. it had the metering probe which I LOVED using.. it was much more accurate than the OLD incident meters..made 'working life' a great deal easier..
mistakes doing the 'calculations' using the 'old' meters 'disappeared. after my 'forced' retirement (they needed the floor-space I occupied rather than my 'skills') I eventually invested in a Linhof monorail for my own use and a Pentax spot meter... but...no more 'incident light meter readings.... I took to using a 'swatch of clean white towelling and taking a reading off that in the same light 'condition' as the subject matter and 'placing THAT value on ZVIII+1/3 and providing 'Normal' development (then 'allowing' for bellow extension)
In all honesty, I believe I'm now getting much better negatives than I ever had (for my own 'artistic) endeavours.
I would like to be able to 'invest in a Sinar (the off axis swings and tilts are a 'joy to use) for my own use but the 'budget' and "She Who Must be Obeyed always seems to say "no way!!!' But ... I am more than comfortable using the "place the 'white with texture' on ZVIII+1/3 and providing 'normal developing [in my BTZS tubes using ONLY Pyrocat HD as my developer of choice (mixed from the 'scratch' chemicals)].

Ken
 

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For 'what its worth'...

I had an 'off list' email about 'why I prefer my Pentax Spotmeter from a 'someone' wondering if it might be worth while trading in their incident light meter on the purchase of one... I decide to 'try some tests' using a piece of white towelling.
and taking a 'close-up reading of my 'target' using both meters within 60 seconds of one another. To my surprise a closeup reflective reading with the incident light meter (with the incident 'cone' moved over to one side) was just under 1/3 of a stop different from my Pentax spot meter 'reading'

Ken
 
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This post somehow got revived in the last few days. In the end I went with the Minolta based on the earlier reccomandations and it's been fine for me. I don't use any of its memory or averaging features; I do enjoy the using EVs instead of f-stop, though, when I use it with my Hasselblad, I find it matches my undestanding of Zone values.
 

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I prefer the simplicity of the Pentax. Not familiar with Minolta, but I also have a Gossen spot meter...to many choices and alternatives. I prefer to keep the computer in my head.
 
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