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First, get corrective lenses that allow you to focus camera without autofocus. For 35mm camgeras, nothing is more rugged, both in terms of interior design and external toughness, than a Nikon F or F2. I have used my F since 1964 with perhaps only two CLAs, just to keep it happy. If a prism without TTL meter then no worry about batteries (use handheld meter or exposure calculator); no worries about autofocusing errors, etc. Plus very good lenses.
 
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First, get corrective lenses that allow you to focus camera without autofocus. For 35mm camgeras, nothing is more rugged, both in terms of interior design and external toughness, than a Nikon F or F2. I have used my F since 1964 with perhaps only two CLAs, just to keep it happy. If a prism without TTL meter then no worry about batteries (use handheld meter or exposure calculator); no worries about autofocusing errors, etc. Plus very good lenses.

I have corrective lenses but sadly they can’t fix the underlying issues fully.

Also I want to shoot digital. Only shoot film 120, in the Hasselblad. And that’ll be going digital early 2024 :smile:
 

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Why were they fogged up? Just condensation? Was it temporary?

A/C in home, forgot to let the lenses heat up before taking them out. Temporary but time is time and the client couldn't wait.

I didn't like zooms either but Canon's L zooms are something else. I put off getting a 24-70 2.8 as long as I can. It's a boring focal length. Once I got one I was kicking myself for not getting one years ago. It's a workhorse and does everything I ask of it. Sure a few more mm on the long end would be nice but as it goes it does 90% of what I need.
 

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I thought that England was sunny all the time, it was when we visited a couple years ago 🙂 . Are the mirrorless cameras any better in pouring rain than DSLRs? I shoot Nikon D850 and D6. Thinking about it I don't think I've ever been in anything but a light shower.
My good friend is a photographer for a local newspaper, they use the latest Canon mirrorless equipment, he definitely gets damp not sure if they have some sort of protection??
 
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I thought that England was sunny all the time, it was when we visited a couple years ago 🙂 . Are the mirrorless cameras any better in pouring rain than DSLRs? I shoot Nikon D850 and D6. Thinking about it I don't think I've ever been in anything but a light shower.
My good friend is a photographer for a local newspaper, they use the latest Canon mirrorless equipment, he definitely gets damp not sure if they have some sort of protection??

Nah. We get rain a lot of the time. Also I shoot in the rain specifically for the project I'm working on at the moment. Today I tried shooting with the Hasselblad covered in plastic, and it was a nightmare.

I'm leaning towards the 5D IV currently.
 
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Went with my gut, ordered a Canon 5D Mk. IV. Now onto lenses.
 

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Went with my gut, ordered a Canon 5D Mk. IV. Now onto lenses.

16-35L f/2.8 III but you've mentioned you don't like zooms.

Stick with the L lenses more or less. However my 100 2.8 macro is not an L and it's amazing.
 

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I once saw someone hosing off a Canon digital with a 70-200 2.8, I had to go talk to them, this was probably 10 years ago
I wouldn't think of doing that with a D3, or even a $100 D2.
I was impressed.
 

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I guess dad or mom will find out how good Sony’s water sealing is
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I have corrective lenses but sadly they can’t fix the underlying issues fully.

Also I want to shoot digital. Only shoot film 120, in the Hasselblad. And that’ll be going digital early 2024 :smile:

I didn't get that your interests were exclusively digital. However, go for it! There must be many digital models and brands available with both auto focusing and auto exposure. Good luck on your quest.
 

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Hi all.

I'm at a loss as to what camera to get. For the last 5-10 years I've been choosing cameras on a whim, not really making considered purchases. I now have a collection of cameras I enjoy, or don't, but I don't have one that does what I need.

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What do you all suggest? Any details I missed? Thanks :smile:


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EDIT: The Nikon D850 is a possible winner. Certainly rugged enough. Good battery life. Good selection of lenses.

Hi,

My wife has a Panasonic GX8 and that camera has a fantastic viewfinder, excellent for us with failing eyesight. And nowadays they can be had pretty cheaply. She uses Olympus primes and Panasonic zooms, an outstanding combination. Her other cameras are Olympus and Sony, plus a few Nikon 1 bodies, and an RX100.

A friend uses a hefty Fuji GFX 100 for shooting just what you like to shoot, and the results are stunning. That's another winner, outstanding for shots like those you mention, and as there now is a new version it should be had at a reasonable price.

After years with Pentax I now use Nikon, and none of them is outstanding, just a D3300, a D7500, and a D600, plus two Nikon 1 bodies. I use them for wildlife mostly and as I have been ill for a while I mainly shoot around the house, where the tiny garden gives me ample variation of animals to shoot, everything from monitors to drongos and several species of squirrels, plus treeshrews.
 

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Hey, quick update. On phone so typos and missing details, happy to fill in later.

I spent all day yesterday walking from shop to shop in London, and on the phone to stores further afield, before I eventually called a large camera rental business.

It left me with a boring choice and feeling conflicted.

The general consensus among the shops was that they have more failures overall with Fuji gear and spend more time dealing with the Fuji rep on returns than Canon or Nikon. This is across the entire range not just the X-T5. Each shop told me to ignore the Fuji website (especially “that picture”) and treat the cameras like they can take a brief bit of rain but carry a cloth with you and when you can take the lens off and dry them. They have more failures on the Fuji bodies than the lenses and almost always it is the main board failing. No doubt though that the X-T5 is a superb camera, super fast and accurate.

According to the shops, the order of things going wrong is Fuji, Canon, then Nikon. The numbers are small, that needs to be said. They also said if a Nikon goes wrong the service department is awful compared to Canon. All three shops said the same thing, no bias. All are well known.

I got to try all three cameras I was looking at. The EVF and seeing the exposure live in the Fuji is fantastic but I was losing confidence in the build, and that biased me.

The Nikon is heavy, the Canon is lovely. The Nikon sensor is amazing though, the recovery if you mess up exposure is immense. The Canon looks better out of camera, I do really like Canon colours. However Nikon is super close now, and at higher ISO the Nikon noise is like grain. Honestly for stills the Nikon wins, and I never shoot video so the Nikon is the obvious choice. Higher resolution, better build, great colours, better noise etc. But my gut is saying Canon, my head is saying Nikon.

I then had a coffee and Googled rental cameras.

When speaking to the rental company they said for reliability in bad weather go Nikon. If it breaks the service will take weeks or months compared to Canons days. But it is very unlikely to fail. They have never had a D850 fail (aside from one dropped from a crane), they’ve had “a few” 5D IVs fail due to “water and weather” but they rent out many more and the camera has been out longer. It’s a close call. On Fuji they rarely rent them out so couldn’t say much.

So I’m now going to look at lenses. I’ll be shooting 24, 35, 50. I rarely go longer and I don’t like zooms. The lenses will choose for me.

On that note the weather sealing on Nikon and Canon lenses real world is apparently very similar, so it’s more down to cost and output for my decision.

Meantime today I’m shooting the Hasselblad with a plastic bag over it. Due to pour down in a few :smile:

I love the Sigma Art lenses, but they are hefty. Nikon's best is for Z Mount, and they are on average quite a bit better than equal lenses for F Mount. Naturally costly, in some cases very!

Good luck!
 
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While waiting for the camera to arrive, it got stuck (lost) but is now due for delivery tomorrow, I went out with the XPro 3 again and once again it let the water in. So I know I’ve made the right decision. The Fuji will be relegated to dry days out with family, and London streets.

Regarding lenses, can anyone suggest weather sealed lenses they have experience with? 24, 35, 50, maybe 80mm.

I need the 35mm asap but the rest can wait.

EDIT: Decided to stick with Canon L for the moment, ordered a 35mm.
 
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While waiting for the camera to arrive, it got stuck (lost) but is now due for delivery tomorrow, I went out with the XPro 3 again and once again it let the water in. So I know I’ve made the right decision. The Fuji will be relegated to dry days out with family, and London streets.

Regarding lenses, can anyone suggest weather sealed lenses they have experience with? 24, 35, 50, maybe 80mm.

I need the 35mm asap but the rest can wait.

EDIT: Decided to stick with Canon L for the moment, ordered a 35mm.

L lenses are generally weather sealed.
 

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Like most things, it depends upon whose opinion you value but the original EF 35mm f1.4 L is/was very highly regarded and can be found for around 1/2 the price of the 35 1.4 L II. I haven't read up on any weather sealing differences between the 2 generations. I've got the more modest EF 35mm f2 IS, and I like it a lot, but I wouldn't take it out into a downpour without a shield of some type.
 

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Why not join the rangefinder set and your compositions will improve over time.
 
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Like most things, it depends upon whose opinion you value but the original EF 35mm f1.4 L is/was very highly regarded and can be found for around 1/2 the price of the 35 1.4 L II. I haven't read up on any weather sealing differences between the 2 generations. I've got the more modest EF 35mm f2 IS, and I like it a lot, but I wouldn't take it out into a downpour without a shield of some type.
My original order fell through, or to be more precise the box arrived without the lens. This gives me an opportunity. I've read the second version is much sharper, but I'll see if I can rent and test both. I don't pixel peep, so unless the difference is drastic the cost saving of the original is worth it.


Why not join the rangefinder set and your compositions will improve over time.
Have one, sometimes I want something different :smile:
 
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I think You should probably stick with your Hasselblad; too bad they don't offer AF but you may be happier with a different finder and the best screen to focus

I replaced the light seal yesterday after that day that'll now be known as the one that cost me a small fortune. The rain had got into the seals and damaged them. The plate has become stuck to the seal, when I removed it half the seal came away also. I replaced it al, wrapped the camera in a bag, and off I went. And it was lovely :smile: The sound of the rain on the plastic, and my hood, while I found shacks built on abandoned land - it was lovely. Hopefully my exposure was accurate. I'll share the images when the film comes back and I get round to scanning.

Something I've recently learned after avoiding monopods or tripods or pods of any kind my entire life is - in bad weather, especially wind - a monopod plus a heavy camera is joyful. Looking forward to my next opportunity to go back. Roll on summer and the long evenings.
 

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My original order fell through, or to be more precise the box arrived without the lens. This gives me an opportunity. I've read the second version is much sharper, but I'll see if I can rent and test both. I don't pixel peep, so unless the difference is drastic the cost saving of the original is worth it.



Have one, sometimes I want something different :smile:

I've never seen much a difference in general between Mk1 and M2 and on with L lenses. In the field they're all sharp as I need.
 
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Been playing with the 5D IV in the house, family snaps while I wait for a better lens to arrive. The colours are magic! I was never a preset guy but I tried adding a fair few and kept going back to the default. Focus is slow on my old 50 1.8, but still faster than I'll need most of the time. Thing is built like a tank too.
 
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