+1 vote for infrared Chrome! I never got to try color infrared, but would LOVE to!
Ive seen film images similar to a thermal camera, and i dont know what type of film it was shot on, but a person in a dark room would show as the shape of the person ranging in colours from, yellow to orange and red. etc
Those are computer generated false colours from a digital sensor.
Velvia 50 is something special. I never understood it until I shot a roll of it during a particularly colorful time of year (autumn, with the leaves changing colors). The inky blacks, and the saturation - perfect for that time of year. Those that clamored for Fuji to bring back Velvia (as Velvia 50 since they couldn't get all the ingredients for original Velvia, IIRC) because the 100 speed version of it was different were right.
That said, I like the Wittner Chrome version of Aviphot Chrome 200, Fuji's Provia 100F, and I'm sure I'll like Ferrania's 100 and 400 speed offerings. They'll have a captive market for sure with 400+ speed E-6 films.
Ive never played around with such film, but would be interesting.
What about infra red film that only shows heat patterns?
Ive seen film images similar to a thermal camera, and i dont know what type of film it was shot on, but a person in a dark room would show as the shape of the person ranging in colours from, yellow to orange and red. etc
I still can't find any info on "Whittner Chrome" as a film. I think you're making it up, LOL.
Those are either false color OR they are Solarized during processing.
I still can't find any info on "Whittner Chrome" as a film. I think you're making it up, LOL.
Hello APUG users!
My name is Dave Bias and I'm the US Director for FILM Ferrania.
Thanks for introducing a large dose of realism in the discussion here!!
I still can't find any info on "Whittner Chrome" as a film. I think you're making it up, LOL.
+1. Make this, and I won't need a Tungsten-balanced emulsion - the 2 stop loss of the 80A filter will be made up for by the pushability of the 800 speed emulsion.
Actual speed of a tungsten ISO 640 film under tungsten lighting conditions:
base ISO: 640
first push ISO 1250
two-stop push: ISO 2500 --> equivalent to a daylight film of ISO 10000 plus a filter...
A tungsten-balanced film of such high speed opens up a new world of photographic possibilities, particularly if available in 120 format.
You guys are all dreaming, let's get back to a realistically producible "high speed" film by FILMferrania
A tungsten based film, as nice as it sounds may be less necessary, as the market is moving from T based light bulbs to the new CF (compact fluorescent) bulbs which at least in the US are now REQUIRED over T based bulbs for manufacturers and T based bulbs are going to stop being made/sold except as specialty bulbs..
You guys are all dreaming, let's get back to a realistically producible "high speed" film by FILMferrania, the chances of anything above 400 in E-6 that is also good enough for market is about as likely as Kodachrome coming back.
C'mon guys, let's give FILMferrania a fighting chance, let's get realistic and ask for things the majority of us will actually use regularly and in large enough quantities to support the company.
I'll tell FILMferrania my biggest thing is this, I LOVE Velvia100 in sheet film 4x5 and 8x10, this is my biggest use in E-6 (it used to be Velvia50 but they no longer import to the US).
Before I shot LF my biggest use was Velvia50 in 120.
I hardly ever used that in 35mm, not enough detail for landscapes in any print big enough to make me happy. (I'm persnickety).
My biggest use in Provia100f/Provia400X was models. I exclusively used Provia100f until I gave the 400 a chance and now I'm running through the last of that.
A (TRUELY RATED) 400+ speed film for people would be much more valuable and have no competition than a 100 speed film.
A film with a SLIGHTLY "retro" look but with semi accurate color would be much more valuable than an over the top retro. Something super accurate akin to Provia100f would only compete if similar and less price.
Attacking the need of a replacement for Provia400X seems the most likely strategy to succeed IMHO.
This is my way of working and thinking and obviously does not reflect all film users, but it's something to think about.
Also note the need for 400 speed is for indoor use with window light, so that color pallet and light source is something to take into account.
A tungsten based film, as nice as it sounds may be less necessary, as the market is moving from T based light bulbs to the new CF (compact fluorescent) bulbs which at least in the US are now REQUIRED over T based bulbs for manufacturers and T based bulbs are going to stop being made/sold except as specialty bulbs.
So the whole "we need T films for indoor shooting doesn't make sense going forward. (Unless the majority of other countries are still making T bulbs?)
Just a thought. Sure 800 daylight speed would be even better but I doubt that would be financially feasible to engineer with fine grain at this stage.
EDIT: Push comments... I don't shoot C-41 but I've seen many many comments that say that Portra400 pushes to 800 and even 1600 with better shadow detail and better grain than than Portra800 looks at box speed or pushed 1 stop. Given that is true, if Kodak can't even make a better 800 speed film than their 400 speed film, a smaller RnD company on a more difficult E-6 process probably won't be able to.
I run into far more cases where 100 isn't fast enough than I do where 400 is too fast.
It was only a wish list item Ferrani will have problems enough with 100 IS0 production, machinery and distribution... to not be distracted.
Noel... for once we are in complete agreement.
Dave had to have known that starting an open questions thread like this would bring out all of the bizarre wish list products that only had a market of one. Especially here on APUG. Color infrared? Right out of the gate? Really?
Everyone wants some oddball product to be made available just for them, and they are convinced that the rest of the world wants it also. I mean, it IS a pretty cool product, right? So why wouldn't everyone else want it too, right?
I would not have contributed to the KS project if I felt they could be so easily pulled off the critical path by distractions. They won't. That's why I gave them my money.
Ken
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