Hello APUG from FILM Ferrania

cmacd123 · Feb 26, 2015

SLVR said:
At this moment my local lab has been forced to shut down E6 processing because their machine was configured for a 7 stage development process. Chemistry for such a process is unavailable I'm told and that only 3 stage kits remain and these machines can't be reconfigured for a 3 stage process.

They can't mix from scratch? or reallocate some tanks to match the currently available chemistry?

SLVR · Feb 26, 2015

Not sure. I think my lab was depending on Kodak for chemistry. I'm sure if other 7 stage chemistry were easy to sub in they would have continued processing the stuff

Also Cmacd, I grew up in Stittsville oddly enough. Funny that such a small town would ring a bell online like this. Nothing like the ol burbs.

Roger Cole · Feb 27, 2015

It's six, not seven, but they may be counting the wash. Fuji makes the chemicals. They just didn't try very hard.

FILM Ferrania · Feb 27, 2015

SLVR said:
Will Ferrania be producing both 7 stage chemistry for commercial applications as well as 3 stage kits for home development?

This is a good question. I will have to make some inquiries to get a proper answer.

What I do know is this:

Our first film batches will be compatible with existing E-6 lab processing techniques and chemistry
If market demand is strong enough, we would eventually love to produce home processing kits of some sort - but this remains a wish-list item and it's way down the road.

When we're talking about producing chemistry beyond our direct needs, we're talking about the cloudy future. Cloudy because we need to sell what we can make before we think about selling things that we will eventually be able to make.

FILM Ferrania · Feb 27, 2015

SLVR said:
Not sure. I think my lab was depending on Kodak for chemistry. I'm sure if other 7 stage chemistry were easy to sub in they would have continued processing the stuff

Also Cmacd, I grew up in Stittsville oddly enough. Funny that such a small town would ring a bell online like this. Nothing like the ol burbs.

For several months now, we have been collecting information from labs who still offer E-6 processing. We are preparing to release a map of these labs in the near future.

If any of you have a favorite lab still doing E-6, make sure to fill out our form: Dead Link Removed

SLVR · Feb 27, 2015

Thank you Dave for looking into this.

Im going to make an assumption that many labs such as mine with hardware dedicated to a specific type of process did end up calling it quits when chemistry (kodak it seems?) was discontinued. If the hardware hasn't been sold off or scrapped I don't see why they couldn't be fired back up if the chemistry was available.

cmacd123 · Feb 27, 2015

(off topic but..)

SLVR said:
Also Cmacd, I grew up in Stittsville oddly enough. Funny that such a small town would ring a bell online like this. Nothing like the ol burbs.

Stittsville is a small suburb, (now actually considered as a part of the City of Ottawa since amalgamation) but it is amazing the number of famous folks who live here.

Photo Engineer · Feb 27, 2015

SLVR said:
Thank you Dave for looking into this.

Im going to make an assumption that many labs such as mine with hardware dedicated to a specific type of process did end up calling it quits when chemistry (kodak it seems?) was discontinued. If the hardware hasn't been sold off or scrapped I don't see why they couldn't be fired back up if the chemistry was available.

I have run some RT (Roller Transport) machines, and these can be easily adapted to bypass unused tanks. You just run the film over the top of the empty tank on the rollers up to the next full tank. I have also run some of the dip and dunk processors. They are no problem if manual, but if automated may need reprogramming which is not hard but may take a tech to do it. Same thing with rotary processors. They usually can be reprogrammed.

Even if reprogramming is not possible, it is often possible to adapt the process by changes in the tanks and hoses.

PE

Henning Serger · Feb 28, 2015

Hello,

SLVR said:
At this moment my local lab has been forced to shut down E6 processing because their machine was configured for a 7 stage development process. Chemistry for such a process is unavailable I'm told and that only 3 stage kits remain and these machines can't be reconfigured for a 3 stage process.

well, in reality no one is forced to shut down E6 processing because of chemistry being not available anymore.
All what professional labs need is in production:
The standard / regular E6 process chemistry (6 bath; 7 if you count final wash) is produced by
- Fuji Hunt
- Tetenal
- Bellini ( http://www.bellinifoto.it/ ).

Fact is that we have currently one manufacturer for color reversal film with Fujifilm (and hopefully soon two with Film Ferrania), but even three manufacturers of E6 chemistry.
Hundreds of professional labs worldwide are using this chemistry and offer their customers excellent quality and service. They do care for their customers.
And thousands of photographers worldwide are developing E6 at home with this chemistry using their Jobo machines.

Your local lab could just use the E6 chemistry from Fuji Hunt, Tetenal or Bellini continuing the service. Like all the other labs are doing.

Best regards,
Henning

AgX · Feb 28, 2015

There are even more manufacturers of E-6 processing chemicals.

Henning Serger · Feb 28, 2015

AgX said:
There are even more manufacturers of E-6 processing chemicals.

Well,
Fuji Hunt, Tetenal and Bellini are the main manufacturers who are producing both
- E6 chemicals 'in bulk' for professional labs
- E6 chemicals in kits for home processing.
Regular, easy available items.

There are other photo chemistry manufacturers who are principally able to produce E6 chemicals, and / or are doing private label business and custom runs.
AFAIK CPAC ( http://www.cpac.be/en/Products/Photo_chemicals/ ) at least was active in this private label business in the past.
And Agfa, Belgium, produced E6 / ASP 44 chemistry, too (now discontinued).
And then you have photo chemistry manufacturers like Calbe in Germany who are producing and selling also raw chemicals which are needed for E6:
http://www.calbe-chemie.de/fotochemie-111/rohstoffe/

Best regards,
Henning

miha · Feb 28, 2015

What about Ornano Chimici, are they still in business?

AgX · Feb 28, 2015

Ornano does not make E-6 (any longer).

AgX · Feb 28, 2015

Henning, there are more manufacturers who still list E-6 chemicals.

But, as you hinted at, the important thing is that there are still likely a lot of possible sources able to toll-manufacture E-6 processing kits even if no longer marketing such themselves.

At the momemt it is not if Film-Ferrania would be the last hope. Though... having a chemical plant at their doorstep cannot harm either.

Henning Serger · Feb 28, 2015

AgX said:
Henning, there are more manufacturers who still list E-6 chemicals.

1. Which ones? Just name them.
2. I am not so much interested who still 'list' it, but who is really producing it and offer it to both professional labs and photographers for home development.
And Fuji Hunt, Tetenal and Bellini are doing exactly that.

AgX said:
But, as you hinted at, the important thing is that there are still likely a lot of possible sources able to toll-manufacture E-6 processing kits even if no longer marketing such themselves.

There is absolutely no need to worry about E6 chemistry.
If we continue to shoot color reversal film, or even much better if we significantly increase our demand for color reversal film (I am doing exactly that for about eight years now: shooting each year more transparencies than the year before), well, than we definitely will have the developing chemistry as well.

Best regards,
Henning

TheToadMen · Mar 3, 2015

I saw a local (online) auction for a Ferrania camera, model Lynce 3 (from 1962?) with Cassar 2.8/45 lens.

Would be fun to load it with real Ferrania film again - if my (low) maximum bid survives.

http://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/1540555-ferrania-lince-3

AgX · Mar 3, 2015

I guess you made a typing error:

Not Lynce, but Lince. (Or Lynx in English.)

The approaches on the etymology of the roman and germanic versions of this name are interesting too...

Xmas · Mar 3, 2015

Henning Serger said:
1. Which ones? Just name them.
2. I am not so much interested who still 'list' it, but who is really producing it and offer it to both professional labs and photographers for home development.
And Fuji Hunt, Tetenal and Bellini are doing exactly that.

There is absolutely no need to worry about E6 chemistry.
If we continue to shoot color reversal film, or even much better if we significantly increase our demand for color reversal film (I am doing exactly that for about eight years now: shooting each year more transparencies than the year before), well, than we definitely will have the developing chemistry as well.

Best regards,
Henning

Hi

But if you are running a lab you can scratch mix E6, [and the raw chemicals are still available (although nearest supplier is Germany for me)].

You only need a micro balance costing about 40 Euro, and water...

It is hard home processing E6 but I've done it in past...

Noel

Henning Serger · Mar 3, 2015

Hello Noel,

Xmas said:
Hi

But if you are running a lab you can scratch mix E6, [and the raw chemicals are still available (although nearest supplier is Germany for me)].

You only need a micro balance costing about 40 Euro, and water...

of course you could mix it by yourself from scratch with raw chemicals if you want to. But that does not make sense for a professional lab, because using the professional E6 bulk lab kits from Fuji Hunt, Tetenal or Bellini is much, much easier and more cost effective for the professional labs.
I've seen some professional labs from inside, I know several lab owners very well. They just use the E6 chemistry from the named producers, the same way they use the C41 and RA-4 chemistry from these producers. No differences, no problems. Period.
No one in this standard lab business mix the E6, C41 or RA-4 chemicals from scratch with raw chemicals.

A different situation is BW reversal development:
There I know four professional labs making (at least parts) of their chemistry from scratch with raw chemicals. But that is because they have designed their own, special process.

Xmas said:
It is hard home processing E6 but I've done it in past...
Noel

E6 home processing is easy, especially if you are using
- the home developing kits from Fuji, Tetenal or Bellini
- a Jobo processing machine.

Best regards,
Henning

Xmas · Mar 3, 2015

Henning Serger said:
E6 home processing is easy, especially if you are using
- the home developing kits from Fuji, Tetenal or Bellini
- a Jobo processing machine.

Best regards,
Henning

I understand what labs do today, tomorrow they could scratch mix, as easily, there is not a dependency on kits, other than cost/time trade offs.

Decades ago people use to scratch mix and use a Patterson tank, there is not a dependency, on Jobos.

I eventually decided labs were an easier option, but only cause I'm lazy.

Noel

compasiune · Mar 3, 2015

Hello! Welcome to this great forum!

TheToadMen · Mar 3, 2015

AgX said:
I guess you made a typing error:

Not Lynce, but Lince. (Or Lynx in English.)

I did, didn't I? I can't corrected it but I stand corrected
Thanks AgX

Maurizio · Mar 4, 2015

More about Bellini´s E6 development kit

http://www.bellinifoto.it/it/scheda-prodotti.php?id=110&categoria=13&famiglia=3

http://www.bellinifoto.it/files_prodotti/110/files/49_kit_e6_1.pdf

Nehalem501 · Mar 5, 2015

Maurizio said:
http://www.bellinifoto.it/it/scheda-prodotti.php?id=110&categoria=13&famiglia=3

http://www.bellinifoto.it/files_prodotti/110/files/49_kit_e6_1.pdf

I can't seem to find their kit's price on their website.

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madgardener · Mar 14, 2015

I got an email last night from Film Ferrania informing me that my reward has been pushed back because of factory problems. While the email insisted that they are still going to produce film, I'm wondering how this setback will affect the factory/dream as a whole?

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