Hello APUG from FILM Ferrania

Nzoomed · Feb 24, 2015

FILM Ferrania said:
Just to be clear, the Postcard from Italy was a standalone reward and was not automatically included in any other rewards.

In one of our early updates, we did announce that folks could ADD the Postcard from Italy to their other reward...

+1
Thats what i ended up doing and i got mine so the system worked for me

RattyMouse · Feb 24, 2015

railwayman3 said:
As my post above ^^^^, I went for 4 films (2x35mm plus 2x120), and the postcard was definitely an extra add-on and extra cost.

Ok, thanks for the clarification; my mistake.

FILM Ferrania · Feb 24, 2015

Hello all,

Perhaps I should start a new thread, but why not see if we can get this one over 100 pages!

Today we posted our first "behind the scenes" update from the factory, with an overview of our coater and the work that has been done to get it completely clean.

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Ken Nadvornick · Feb 24, 2015

Thanks, Dave. Have already taken a moment to read, look at the photos, and watch the videos. Really cool stuff. Thanks to everyone involved for creating that presentation. It gives substance to the story unfolding.

Does the wife get free film forever for recommending that soap??

Ken

trythis · Feb 24, 2015

That's a lot of tedious scrubbing. I might welcome the cold with that kind of work in those coveralls.

pbromaghin · Feb 24, 2015

Oh my, what a long and boring job. It must seem like an endless task.

Nzoomed · Feb 24, 2015

FILM Ferrania said:
Hello all,

Perhaps I should start a new thread, but why not see if we can get this one over 100 pages!

Today we posted our first "behind the scenes" update from the factory, with an overview of our coater and the work that has been done to get it completely clean.

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It looks like you have had alot of work on your hands thats for sure, im getting so excited now to see the first coating run go through the coater!

Photo Engineer · Feb 24, 2015

This machine looks more like the Kodak machines that I am familiar with. IDK why, perhaps because it is more modern.

PE

Nzoomed · Feb 24, 2015

Photo Engineer said:
This machine looks more like the Kodak machines that I am familiar with. IDK why, perhaps because it is more modern.

PE

Thats interesting to know PE.
One question i have, which you should now see where im coming from if you have seen the photos is regarding the rollers in the drying tunnel.
It appears they are flat rollers and not the undercut type i remember you mentioning earlier in here. I would be interested to see what you think regarding this, as i thought that the film was not to make any physical contact with any surface ?

Photo Engineer · Feb 24, 2015

You totally misunderstand. The film surface faces the air flow in some cabinets, but turn around on undercut rollers and so you have alternation positions. Give it some thought!

PE

Nzoomed · Feb 24, 2015

Photo Engineer said:
You totally misunderstand. The film surface faces the air flow in some cabinets, but turn around on undercut rollers and so you have alternation positions. Give it some thought!

PE

Sorry, I dont quite understand what you mean.

I would have to see a visual diagram to fully understand.

Those photos clearly show the film base making contact on the rollers.
Unless you are referring to the back of the film which is not yet coated? That would not be an issue if that was the case, since there is no emulsion on the other side to be disturbed (assuming the anti halation backing is coated on a seperate run), but are you saying each roller alternates with an undercut roller? That would make sense, but i dont see that from the photos.

As far as air bearings goes, do some rollers have these built into them?

flavio81 · Feb 25, 2015

FILM Ferrania said:
Hello all,

Perhaps I should start a new thread, but why not see if we can get this one over 100 pages!

Today we posted our first "behind the scenes" update from the factory, with an overview of our coater and the work that has been done to get it completely clean.

Dead Link Removed

Nice update, thank you very much Dave!! It seems like an heroic work to go into the building to do things WITHOUT the heating system!

It's interesting to see the assortment of film cameras used for testing; representative of the late-90s typical cameras used by shooters. I'd say that nowadays, for the new Ferrania customers, the machines for testing would probably be:

Representing toy cameras:
- Diana & Holga

Representing 6x6 TLRs with built in meter:
- Yashica 124G and similar

Representing 35mm SLRs:
- Canon AE-1

Representing compact AE cameras:
- Lomo LC-A and Olympus XA

Representing AE rangefinders:
- Yashica Electro 35 GSN
...

TheToadMen · Feb 25, 2015

flavio81 said:
It's interesting to see the assortment of film cameras used for testing; representative of the late-90s typical cameras used by shooters. I'd say that nowadays, for the new Ferrania customers, the machines for testing would probably be:

Representing toy cameras:
- Diana & Holga

Representing 6x6 TLRs with built in meter:
- Yashica 124G and similar

Representing 35mm SLRs:
- Canon AE-1

Representing compact AE cameras:
- Lomo LC-A and Olympus XA

Representing AE rangefinders:
- Yashica Electro 35 GSN
...

If we're gonna list our cameras in use, then we will reach 100 pages in this thread

I would like to test the film with my Hasselblad SWC, Nikon F4s, Olympus XA2, my new Mamiya C330f and absolute in my wooden 6x18 pinhole camera.

And maybe also the Canon AE-1 with the "new" 55/1.2 FD I'm gonna receive shortly.

Bert from Holland
http://thetoadmen.blogspot.nl

Photo Engineer · Feb 25, 2015

Nzoomed said:
Sorry, I dont quite understand what you mean.

I would have to see a visual diagram to fully understand.

Those photos clearly show the film base making contact on the rollers.
Unless you are referring to the back of the film which is not yet coated? That would not be an issue if that was the case, since there is no emulsion on the other side to be disturbed (assuming the anti halation backing is coated on a seperate run), but are you saying each roller alternates with an undercut roller? That would make sense, but i dont see that from the photos.

As far as air bearings goes, do some rollers have these built into them?

Look at the coating machine in the diagram at the Ferrania reference given above in the last Ferrania post. It shows the top and bottom roller positions wrt the film surface. Also, note that air bearings are not needed except for angles other than 180 and 90 for turning. Rollers work well here. But, where air bearings are needed, they are there I am sure.

Just look at the diagram posted here and you will see the relationship between front and back.

PE

Dr Croubie · Feb 25, 2015

All I'm certain of at this point is that my first roll of 120 is getting shot as 6x17 with a Fujinon 90mm SWD...

Nzoomed · Feb 25, 2015

Photo Engineer said:
Look at the coating machine in the diagram at the Ferrania reference given above in the last Ferrania post. It shows the top and bottom roller positions wrt the film surface. Also, note that air bearings are not needed except for angles other than 180 and 90 for turning. Rollers work well here. But, where air bearings are needed, they are there I am sure.

Just look at the diagram posted here and you will see the relationship between front and back.

PE

Yes i was looking at that diagram, from what i make from it is that the emulsion side would make contact with all the rollers at the top where it zig-zags through the tunnel, am i correct in thinking that these rollers are undercut?

FILM Ferrania · Feb 25, 2015

Nzoomed said:
Yes i was looking at that diagram, from what i make from it is that the emulsion side would make contact with all the rollers at the top where it zig-zags through the tunnel, am i correct in thinking that these rollers are undercut?

You guys can go around and around about this if you wish, but I would warn against drawing any sort of scientific inferences from what is obviously an oversimplified infographic and not a blueprint or schematic...

Photo Engineer · Feb 25, 2015

Oh, I know what it looks like and how it works. I've used them and stood inside of the cabinets of the big ones while running.

It is explaining it that is hard.

Lets just drop it, as being an engineering design problem or something. Not needed here.

PE

Nzoomed · Feb 25, 2015

Apologies for being a nuisance, i just like to learn all the nitty gritty parts to these sort's of things.

FILM Ferrania · Feb 25, 2015

Nzoomed said:
Apologies for being a nuisance, i just like to learn all the nitty gritty parts to these sort's of things.

No nuisance at all - and I apologize if you felt that way.

At some point in the distant future, I expect our machines and processes will be documented quite thoroughly and it's likely that this info will be accessible.

Nzoomed · Feb 26, 2015

FILM Ferrania said:
No nuisance at all - and I apologize if you felt that way.

At some point in the distant future, I expect our machines and processes will be documented quite thoroughly and it's likely that this info will be accessible.

That will be awesome, you might even be able to feature on a future how its made episode!

trythis · Feb 26, 2015

Nzoomed said:
That will be awesome, you might even be able to feature on a future how its made episode!

I had the exact same thought!

Nzoomed · Feb 26, 2015

trythis said:
I had the exact same thought!

Well The Impossible Project already has been, so i would expect that it wouldnt be too hard to get Ferrania to feature on there in the future.

SLVR · Feb 26, 2015

Hello Dave,

I apologize if this has been answered before but I understand that it's Ferrania's long term plan to produce E6 chemistry.

At this moment my local lab has been forced to shut down E6 processing because their machine was configured for a 7 stage development process. Chemistry for such a process is unavailable I'm told and that only 3 stage kits remain and these machines can't be reconfigured for a 3 stage process.

We have small local outfits that are popping up to handle some E6 but it's not like it was prior to the discontinuation of these 7 stage kits.

Will Ferrania be producing both 7 stage chemistry for commercial applications as well as 3 stage kits for home development?

Thank you

Nzoomed · Feb 26, 2015

SLVR said:
Hello Dave,

I apologize if this has been answered before but I understand that it's Ferrania's long term plan to produce E6 chemistry.

At this moment my local lab has been forced to shut down E6 processing because their machine was configured for a 7 stage development process. Chemistry for such a process is unavailable I'm told and that only 3 stage kits remain and these machines can't be reconfigured for a 3 stage process.

We have small local outfits that are popping up to handle some E6 but it's not like it was prior to the discontinuation of these 7 stage kits.

Will Ferrania be producing both 7 stage chemistry for commercial applications as well as 3 stage kits for home development?

Thank you

Tetenal made 7 step kits i thought?
Fuji still produce 7 step chemistry i thought, but i would certainly expect that Ferrania would produce full 7 step kits along with 3 stage kits for home development.

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