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Agreed, too bad it's not available anywhere but Japan in sheet film anymore... Breaks my heart...
It sounds to me from what ive been reading that in alot of cases that there is a payoff between resolving power and grain, e.g you can have a film with a high resolving power and the tradeoff is more grain, and the reverse can be said also.
However i dont agree with this 100% because films such as Velvia are extremley fine grained, and this film has the highest resolving power of any film today.
Agreed, too bad it's not available anywhere but Japan in sheet film anymore... Breaks my heart...
This is an extremely important observation. One who ultimate consequences I fear are often lost on many.
From an (there was a url link here which no longer exists) of mine addressing the constant drumbeat of demand for ever cheaper film...
"I think we need to manage our expectations a little at the beginning. There is a tendency to think that the customer is still king and is always still right no matter what. But expecting Ferrania to initially give us better E-6 than Fuji, and/or at a lower price point, and possibly in a gazillion formats, and a new color negative film right away as well, might be asking for the impossible.
"If we hold them to such a standard right out of the gate, they may never reach critical mass and just be forced to throw in the towel. Then what do we do a year later when Fuji shuts down all color film manufacturing?
"Better I think to be a little more patient. And be willing to initially pay what is required to keep them moving forward as a viable long-term option to Fuji. Part of the definition of extinct includes the principle of a very long time.
"I also worry about Adox in this same respect. Everyone wants cheap, cheap, cheap. Mirko has written here on several occasions bemoaning the fact that some of his plans for future films are on hold because no one wants to pay what is required to bring them to market. Sometimes I wonder how long he can keep going as well.
"Be careful what you ask for..."
There is a tipping point in the world of manufacturing where a product simply cannot be made for less, and the customer absolutely refuses to pay that amount and demands cheaper prices.
What we all need to ponder now and then is how close color photographic film may be to that tipping point in today's painfully contracted market. And what ultimately happens when those lines on the graph cross and the tip over finally occurs.
Ken
Oh that must be my problem, I was trying Jnanian's feces processing developer
Ferraniachrome! Because, well, projected slides are AWESOME!
How's that for back on track?
Splendid! When do we backers get our film BTW?
RR
I think this thread holds a record for how long it went before being derailed
I have a feeling it will even get back on track.
Did you miss typed something? You said that the Kodak gold 100 has the same lp/mm as Portra160, that can't be true, grain in Gold100 is way worse in any images I've shit in that film. could you explain this?
Now back to topic...
Yes, good idea!
On the topic of Ilfochrome/Cibachrome, there is a big hole in the market for printing on such paper.
Since this was made in Switzerland, its only across the border if it was possible to acquire the machinery made.
But i have no idea on the scale of their operations, nor if Ilfords machinery is still there.
But if the equipment did still exist and was not too much to move out, could this be something possibly that ferrania could acquire and start a paper business?
AFAIK, there is not any other printing process out there that has the same dye stability, if there is, i want to know!
I would be more than happy to fund a separate kickstarter for such a project if ferrania were up to the challenge.
So if your reading this Dave, is this something you are up to?
Or is it possible with your coater to produce such papers without requiring their machinery?
I know someone has asked you about papers earlier, so maybe this may be along those lines too.
You would need to buy the IPR for the chemistry and paper. Ferranni are '''''merely''''' reengineering their own product and have all the IPR and know how.
Your request is more like the impossible film.
Go Ferrania...
I look forward to following your critical path efforts to bring to market a first run batch of a new 100-speed E-6 film in four formats, two of them cine. I also look forward to hearing about any progress on the tooling and machinery tasks as well, given that demolition deadlines may be looming.
Ken
Who even owns the IPR though? The company has gone under. Being such an old process i would expect that the patents have long expired anyway. It basically is a dye imbition process similar to technicolor, so dont know what patents would be even relevant today.
Even if someone does own the IPR to the stuff, its worthless to them if no one wants to use them.
The whole company has fallen over. Could Harman/Ilford in the UK produce it instead?
Yes, good idea!Originally Posted by flavio81 (there was a url link here which no longer exists)
Now back to topic...
On the topic of Ilfochrome/Cibachrome, there is (...)
It basically is a dye imbition process similar to technicolor, so dont know what patents would be even relevant today./QUOTE]
Nope - it's no way like the Technicolor process. Ilfochrome (also commonly known as Cibachrome) is a dye destruction positive-to-positive photographic process used for the reproduction of film transparencies on photographic paper. (from the Ilfochrome Wiki).
It basically is a dye imbition process similar to technicolor, so dont know what patents would be even relevant today./QUOTE]
Nope - it's no way like the Technicolor process. Ilfochrome (also commonly known as Cibachrome) is a dye destruction positive-to-positive photographic process used for the reproduction of film transparencies on photographic paper. (from the Ilfochrome Wiki).
I thought technicolor was dye destruction too, just done in 3 stages?
Anyway, it would be good if some group can save Ilfochrome, because there is no decent optical printing available today.
I thought technicolor was dye destruction too, just done in 3 stages?
Technicolor iwas a dye-transfer process.
Technicolor iwas a dye-transfer process.
Yes it was, but i always thought that each layer of dye was transferred to the film and then parts removed with a dye destruction process to make the image for each colour channel?
Yes it was, but i always thought that each layer of dye was transferred to the film and then parts removed with a dye destruction process to make the image for each colour channel?
No, dyes were not removed imagewise. The dye transferred was already the image, and 3 colors were transferred in the best Technicolor process. They also had a 2 color process.
I have mentioned this before. I suggest you read a good history of color photography.
PE
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