Been lurking in this thread and still hadn't chimed in. In any case, I'm glad to see Dave and Ferrania around here.
The possible future high speed slide films seem great, but still, the ISO100 iteration is the first one that has to come.
It's something that should be acknowledged even before the project started. Ferrania didn't have the R&D and tech that Kodak or Fuji have, having both put a huge amount of resources while fighting for the top. While not technically top, I think Ferrania will come up with a nice, classic Slide film.
But it is the effort that they are putting, together with the consolidation into the market and their classic products that should want us to support them.
That, or somehow bringing some ektachrome formulas, and quite some bucks for R&D over to Italy
Since you guys will have a very flexible production line, is it possible to contract with other film producers? The reason I ask is, obviously at some point the large scale of someone like Fuji will make it almost impossible for them to continue their line of E-6, but would it benefit you guys to also have contracts from someone like them to produce smaller batches of their film? Similar to how Ilford produce batches of other manufactures black-and-white films? And the bigger question, does your machine have the capabilities to do that if you were to approach fuji about such a proposal? (Or the other way around).
All i will say is if i saw a box of Kodak E100g that said "Made in Italy" in my camera shop, it would be a dream come true, even if it didnt behave 100% as the original film.
Anyway, if competitors approached Ferrania on such a proposal, that would say alot.
I would imagine that inoviscoat would have been approached by now if Kodak/Fuji were looking at this.
In an effort to keep the speculations productive and grounded in some level of reality,.
In an effort to keep the speculations productive and grounded in some level of reality, I will simply point out that it's probably best to keep names like Kodak, Fuji or Ilford out of the questions. What they do, or plan to do, is their business, and I cannot speak to their intentions.
As I've said before, we hope to one day resume Old Ferrania's long-standing position as an OEM. Keyword "hope".
APUG users are obviously far more technically minded and you guys seem to want to know details that even we will not know until real film is produced, tested, subjected to many horrors in the lab, and put into (old) cameras and taken out into the world.
. I will be *shooting* the film you send me, not testing it.
I didnt think the impossible project used negative films? All that instant film is a positive image is it not?
The Impossible integral film packs still need a negative of some sort.
The "new" company is already 5 years old and as Henning said is an off-shot of the former Leverkusen plant.
It has been said InovisCoat aren't particularly interested in the consumer photo market: that was something they did when they were "part" of Agfaphoto and rather don't want to come back to it.
They are happy to do contract coatings though. I.e. you pay the money, they do the film for you.
The name of the company should be self evident: it is about maximizing potential in all coating fields, not just photography.
That's the reason why you see "boutique" films flourishing, i.e. small batches of specific films and not exactly to be repeated again. See the cases of the Lomo Purple and Adox Colour Explosion.
AFAIK there are no real good E6 films left for long exposures, they all go some weird colour (please tell me if I'm wrong, I'd love to know one that isn't)
I think the initial set of films they want to release, the 100 speed, the 400 speed, and the 800/3200 pushable film are what should come first. They've got good heads on their shoulders and are filling in the gaps in the market with this first set of plans. The 100 speed film obviously comes first, then work their way towards the higher speeds. If they decide the 800/3200 is not feasible, that's okay as long as they can bring back a 400 speed E-6 emulsion. All the rest of the talk in this thread about various things like a 640T film, or a color IR film, IMHO are nice-to-haves (I think I was one of the ones that brought up a 640T film, and for sure I mentioned color IR). First and foremost, we want Film Ferrania to be a healthy film company that can produce color (E-6/C-41) films, and it looks like they're well on their way.
Dave,
The technical aspect of photography is what lead to film's undoing while the emotional content aspect is what is leading the niche rebirth. The image quality I get from my iPhone 6 can easily give me great prints with key technical anchor points up to 20x30". But that is not what I strive for, these technical mile markers and neither do any of the really talented photographers I know...
Obviously APUG is but one place to get the word out about your films and due to several factors, if I were in your shoes I would put at least as much energy if not more into other online presence over this one in particular. APUG loves to talk but not walk if you know what I mean...
But I am sure you know this and will reach out beyond these pages of erosive speculation to partner with the many talented photographers in the world who will gladly showcase your products with flat out great imagery. When it comes right down to the nuts and bolts of it, that is what the photography world wants to see, stunningly seen and shot photography that makes you, your products and the noble pursuit of film photography it self worth putting the time into.
Feel free to PM me and I will give you my contact info, I will be on the road for a month producing new work starting tomorrow and won't be on here much. And keep up the good work, take your time and lead the charge in using innovative and emotionally driven frameworks to engage people with film. I will be *shooting* the film you send me, not testing it.
I realize that the conversations on APUG are very often far more colorful than you can bear to watch. Still, there is no need to be insulting to the membership here. And certainly no need to attempt to drive anyone away from here just because the topics of this particular conversation have once again rattled you.
Let's try to keep things positive, OK?
Negative film is used, just have a second look at the video I've posted above.
Here it is also explained:
http://vimeo.com/100712215
Best regards,
Henning
Dan's a good guy. And I would never try to reign in his passion for photography. He is driven in that passion to a degree that can be remarkable. It's just that sometimes his expression of that passion here on APUG can be a bit overwhelming.
I envy his ability to spend a month on the road with his cameras and his vision. Many of us can't do that. I'm happy for him that he can. It will take a retirement for me before I can do similar.
Sometimes, for some people, it takes time away from APUG (and everything else online) to properly decompress and find balance. I too hope his month out with his cameras is fruitful.
Ken
Ok that sounds like quite an unusual process.
So it makes a negative image on the base layer and then makes a contact print to the top layer of film?
From what i understand its a chemical reaction from the bottom negative image. This makes sense because i dont know how you could make an optical print from a negative in such a camera.
It is not an unusual process at all.
Just one of many diffusion processes. May it be silver-salt Diffusion or dye-diffusion.
Back to the subject at hand, how can we now get more film photographers interested to try out transparency film?
:w00t:
Ken
The answer to this is easy, unfortunately the solution is not. The answer is to lower the price of E-6 films. At $15 a roll, I have been forced to cut back on how much I buy. Even Agfa is rising fast. The solution however is not so easy. Ferrania might be able to provide competition and force the prices down some. Anyway, good luck Ferrania!
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