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Without that year I dare to say that HCB would just have been a good photographer and this year lifted him to the greats
There are quite a number of photos by HCB that each individually make him a great in my eyes, as measured by my personal tests of bearing repeated viewing, and “I really, really wish I had taken that.” The photo I posted in #373 is just one of them. I don’t think any of them are from 1933, which means that your taste is your taste, and mine is mine.

Of course it’s reasonable for you to posit that 1933 was particularly significant in HCB’s life’s work for the qualities you mention, but please don’t make it sound as though there is no other possible analysis.
 

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There are quite a number of photos by HCB that each individually make him a great in my eyes, as measured by my personal tests of bearing repeated viewing, and “I really, really wish I had taken that.” The photo I posted in #373 is just one of them. I don’t think any of them are from 1933, which means that your taste is your taste, and mine is mine.

Of course it’s reasonable for you to posit that 1933 was particularly significant in HCB’s life’s work for the qualities you mention, but please don’t make it sound as though there is no other possible analysis.

Yes definitely it is a personal taste. And I also challenge other possible analysis that was why I posted it. I am still waiting though for any of it.
So far (as usually) I only received ironic reply. Are people too rigid to start thinking? Or afraid to touch the "GOAT" of photography?

"Part of what makes Cartier-Bresson's work of the early '30s so original and so compelling was not only that he mastered this transformation of the subject [into] the picture, but he pushed the transformation as far as it can be pushed."

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"Part of what makes Cartier-Bresson's work of the early '30s so original and so compelling was not only that he mastered this transformation of the subject [into] the picture, but he pushed the transformation as far as it can be pushed."
Out of context, this is undecipherable. What transformation is being referred to? Obviously a camera transforms a subject into a picture.
 

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Out of context, this is undecipherable. What transformation is being referred to? Obviously a camera transforms a subject into a picture.

It is the essence of the photography.
Reality is no longer the reality as you remember or see it, it becomes something else above that, something that overcomes the subject.
When you see HCB photographing the Curie couple, they are no more the famous scientists but they are photographed in a way that creates more questions than facts or easy underlined answers

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Henri Cartier-Bresson was a humanist. He cared about people. He was curious about people, about who they were, about how they lived — about what brought them joy, about what made them suffer, about how they prayed, about their culture, about how they were affected by historical events, etc. That's why he traveled to India, to the US, to China, to the USSR, to Ireland, to Japan, to England, etc.

He wanted to be a witness — and had the means to —, and invented Magnum so that others could do the same. That, to him, was what photography was about. About humanity, about being a witness to our human condition.

This is a great quote, from a 1986 interview:

"During the three years when I lived in the Far East, I did not see my pictures often, except on occasion, when they were published in magazines. At the time, I was absorbed by life."

Or this one:

"I was never without my camera; it was always tied to my wrist. My gaze constantly scanned life. This is what made me feel close to Proust when, towards the end of À la recherche du temps perdu, he writes 'Real life, life at last laid bare and illuminated... is literature.' For me that was photography."

Not only is putting any formal or esthetic concern above that a misunderstanding of what photography meant to him, I believe he would have found it insulting.
 

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Henri Cartier-Bresson was a humanist. He cared about people. He was curious about people, about who they were, about how they lived — about what brought them joy, about what made them suffer, about how they prayed, about their culture, about how they were affected by historical events, etc. That's why he traveled to India, to the US, to China, to the USSR, to Ireland, to Japan, to England, etc.

He wanted to be a witness — and had the means to —, and invented Magnum so that others could do the same. That, to him, was what photography was about. About humanity, about being a witness to our human condition.

This is a great quote, from a 1986 interview:

"During the three years when I lived in the Far East, I did not see my pictures often, except on occasion, when they were published in magazines. At the time, I was absorbed by life."

Or this one:

"I was never without my camera; it was always tied to my wrist. My gaze constantly scanned life. This is what made me feel close to Proust when, towards the end of À la recherche du temps perdu, he writes 'Real life, life at last laid bare and illuminated... is literature.' For me that was photography."

Not only is putting any formal or esthetic concern above that a misunderstanding of what photography meant to him, I believe he would have found it insulting.

Very nice. Reminds me of Garry Winogrand "When I photograph, I see life not photographs. When I go later to my lab and only then I see photographs"

P.S. Finally people started responding with very interesting comments :wink:
 

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Thank you Don_ih for showing the non cropped version, which is how it was published. I could write a 500 word essay about this image and how it compares to a painting by someone I can't quite bring to mind at present. Perhaps Alex Benjamin will help me out here?

There isn't a non-cropped version they are both the same image
P.S. Just click on the attachment on the post I shared and you will see the image enlarged that it is the same. If there was ever a cropped version of the one shared here, it must have been for editorial publication. The original image no-one knows how it looked. Probably it was the same one but I had found some sources stating that HCB did indeed crop it at print. Probably they were wrong as I digged into it further. But maybe @Alex Benjamin knows more.

What do we actually know about this photo? Was HCB standing on a higher level and looking through the viewfinder, or did he lift the camera high and hope it was pointing in the right direction? If the latter, there was clearly an element of luck involved, and applauding the details of composition becomes absurd…except that HCB had created the material from which he could select a frame or part of a frame that clearly worked.

Obviously, removing the corner figures would change everything, because it would no longer look like a dense crowd. But does it matter about their neck jewellery, facial features, or the direction of gaze? I say ‘yes’. Which of us hasn’t photographed a group that’s focussed on something else, only to find that one person has spotted the camera and was staring straight at it, spoiling the shot?

However HCB did it, he took many, many photos with exquisitely judged compositions that do simply work. We can legitimately wonder how they work, or how close they are to not working, but that doesn’t affect my admiration for what he produced.


So here's what Cartier-Bresson said about this photo and its cropping in an interview with Pierre Assouline:

Assouline : So why is it that you never let anyone reframe your photos if need be?

Cartier-Bresson: It is my joy, my pleasure. The only one that I ever had reframed was that of the future Pope, Cardinal Pacelli, in Montmartre, in 1938. I was working for the daily Ce Soir. The photograph had to be "in the soup" by 11 p.m. I was using a view camera with a 9-by-12 plate. It really was chick0chuck, as they call photography in Turkey. The crowd was shouting: "Vive Dieu !" Long Live God!... I was forced to lift the camera over my head and shoot that way. After that, in the lab, they had to fix it. But that was the only time.


P. S. I only skimmed the rest of this thread. If someone else already put up this quote, let me know, I'll delete the post.
 
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So here's what Cartier-Bresson said about this photo and its cropping in an interview with Pierre Assouline:

Assouline : So why is it that you never let anypne reframe your photos if need be?

Cartier-Bresson: It is my joy, my pleasure. The only one that I ever had reframed was that of the future Pope, Cardinal Pacelli, in Montmartre, in 1938. I was working for the daily Ce Soir. The photograph had to be "in the soup" by 11 p.m. I was using a view camera with a 9-by-12 plate. It really was chick0chuck, as they call photography in Turkey. The crowd was shouting: "Vive Dieu !" Long Live God!... I was forced to lift the camera over my head and shoot that way. After that, in the lab, they had to fix it. But that was the only time.


P. S. I only skimmed the rest of this thread. If someone else already put up this quote, let me know, I'll delete the post.

Thanks I wonder where you found your sources I was searching for it long and couldn't find any reference where I have read it!
 

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Henri Cartier-Bresson was a humanist. He cared about people. He was curious about people, about who they were, about how they lived — about what brought them joy, about what made them suffer, about how they prayed, about their culture, about how they were affected by historical events, etc. That's why he traveled to India, to the US, to China, to the USSR, to Ireland, to Japan, to England, etc.

He wanted to be a witness — and had the means to —, and invented Magnum so that others could do the same. That, to him, was what photography was about. About humanity, about being a witness to our human condition.

This is a great quote, from a 1986 interview:

"During the three years when I lived in the Far East, I did not see my pictures often, except on occasion, when they were published in magazines. At the time, I was absorbed by life."

Or this one:

"I was never without my camera; it was always tied to my wrist. My gaze constantly scanned life. This is what made me feel close to Proust when, towards the end of À la recherche du temps perdu, he writes 'Real life, life at last laid bare and illuminated... is literature.' For me that was photography."

Not only is putting any formal or esthetic concern above that a misunderstanding of what photography meant to him, I believe he would have found it insulting.

I also wonder what could that teach us in the modern world where everyone now has a Leica mobile phone tied to their wrists..
I guess we need to redefine and ask what photography means for each one of us...
 

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Thanks I wonder where you found your sources I was searching for it long and couldn't find any reference where I have read it!

 

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Thanks, Alex - I didn't know this existed. Seems to be out of print, and to command a stiff price second-hand!

BTW, the photo from Munster that I posted earlier (from an auction site) is a slight crop and not exactly 2x3. As published in The Europeans, the full frame extends over sprocket holes along the bottom edge, due to faulty loading of the camera. It's an issue with quite a number of his photos, and it's well known that HCB wanted those frames to be published warts-and-all, rather than crop them.
 
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When I was a lecturer of photography, I use to impress on my students the value of doing something again and again and again, to infinitum. To make an analogy, if you carve matchsticks for years and years and years, there comes a point when you are not carving that matchstick, something else is. That is when you become the operator of something beyond your control. Many will think I’m talking bullshit, but some may understand.

That's the nature of habits. Who thinks about talking or walking? You do it subconsciously and habitually.
 

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I don't believe that anyone has mentioned HCB's drawings. That activity occupied much of his time at various periods, but not much is ever said about them. I have not seen them reproduced anywhere, and I wonder if they are collected by anyone.
 

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Edit: After carefully reviewing again HCB work, I have to rephrase a bit.
His first years gave really good photos indeed. But he kept doing sporadically very good photos and most important in the SAME spirit and as with the old ones. So he had consistency through his career and his old and new photos match well.

I was wrong
 
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