MMfoto said:"Shadow dumping"
Maybe this is obvious, but I believe the meaning of "Panthermic" here is that the contrast curve is not affected over a range of temp's when the time of development is adjusted accordingly, as apposed to a developer where the linear adjustment of time breaks down over an extended range of temperature. Not "Panthermic" as in Diafine where temperature does not affect speed or contrast and you develop the film for the same length of time over a wide range of temperatures. So could the problem with the "shadow dumping" be simply underdeveloped due to not correcting for time? Again, not trying to insult anyones intelligence.
MMfoto said:For God's sake. All this speculation is killing me. Can anyone identify a "bit" of Glycin under a microscope. Or is there a test that can be run to determine if there is indeed Glycin in 777?
"777 has a giveaway smell--nice but very distinctive."
df cardwell said:predictable speed and contrast from 65 to 90 degrees.
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jnanian said:its too bad they don't sell already depleted developer in a jar along with the chemistry to make the stock solution. it would really help their customer base realize what a great developer 777 is. i wouldn't be surprised if 1/2 of the people who buy it give up on it because their first sheets+rolls are too contrasty and not what they expected to be.
jdef said:John,
the "seasoning" effect is due to the accumulation of developer products, and not aerial oxidation. Edmund Lowe gives some alternatives to this method of seasoning, which involve the addition of a small amount of potassium thiocyanate or thiourea to the fresh solution. There is also the question of backing dyes, and their effect on a replenished system. It is generally advised that these be removed in a bath of sodium sulfite before development. The fresh solution might be better suited to expansion development, and reserved for that application until seasoned.
Jay
So, how do you guys heat your 777 to 75F?
waterbath?
Aquarium heater?
Anyone?
Harry Lime
"Shadow dumping"
Maybe this is obvious, but I believe the meaning of "Panthermic" here is that the contrast curve is not affected over a range of temp's when the time of development is adjusted accordingly, as apposed to a developer where the linear adjustment of time breaks down over an extended range of temperature. Not "Panthermic" as in Diafine where temperature does not affect speed or contrast and you develop the film for the same length of time over a wide range of temperatures. So could the problem with the "shadow dumping" be simply underdeveloped due to not correcting for time? Again, not trying to insult anyones intelligence.
thanks for the explanaition jay.
not sure scientifically or technically why it helps mellow it out, i know
from printing thousands of sheets if 5x7 xxx in dk50 (back in the day) that it was *essential* to leave about 1/4 - 1/3 a tank of depleted developer in the tank ( sediment and all ) whenever a fresh batch was mixed. if we didn't do this we wouldn't have had the long tonal range negatives we had, and the film would have been way too contrasty ...
from the essay the unblinkingeye, it sounds like 777 is sort of similar.
-john
Any hints about mixing this stuff? It appears that one of the components is quite toxic, so I will use rubber gloves.
How about replenishing? I've only ever used one-shot developers, so any information would be appreciated.
I shoot Tri-X@400 in 135 (and some 120) 90% of the time. Does anyone have any experience with this combination?
Can you push process Tri-X to 800 or 1600 in 777?
Is 777 closer to XTOL or D76? Someone told me it's similar to Pyro...
This may be a difficult question to answer, since the formula is secret, but perhaps someone can speak from experience.
Considering the advances that have been made in the past decades (XTOL etc.), is 777 still worth the effort? I know there is no such thing as a magic bullet in photography, but 777 sure sounds intriguing.
How about development temperature? I read somewhere that it works best at 75F. How about room temperature (68F)?
777 is supposed to be very sensitive to agitation. Anyone care to share?
How about the ripening process? How does this work?
Correct! More accurately, UNDER-AGITATION. The person who claimed this fall off at 72F neglected to heed my Unblinkingeye caveat and warning about agitation.
Fred
Where exactly can one buy the Magical 777 developer? Bluegrass Industries only offers an adress and phone number online. Must I call them? The Frugal Photographer offers 1 gallon bags for the unfrugal price of $27. What quantity will Bluegrass sell? Price?
Wayne
Where exactly can one buy the Magical 777 developer? Bluegrass Industries only offers an adress and phone number online. Must I call them?
http://www.bluegrasspackaging.com/Can someone supply the full name of BPI, and the phone number please. Thanks.
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